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Totem Polar
12-29-2013, 06:33 PM
The Taurus View.


http://www.gunsholstersandgear.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Taurus-85-View.jpg

The lexan sideplate is certainly interesting, but it's the 9 oz titanium weight, concise grip frame, +P rating, and 5" overall length (642=1 1/3" longer) that piques my interest in this incredibly small DAO 5-shooter.


More:
http://www.gunsholstersandgear.com/2013/12/18/taurus-85-view/

Tamara
12-29-2013, 06:47 PM
Ejector rods are apparently so 20th Century. :confused:

TR675
12-29-2013, 07:13 PM
Should be easy and painless to shoot.

Totem Polar
12-29-2013, 07:37 PM
^^^Silly rabbit: the lexan side plate and custom molded "Taurus Checker" grip greatly reduce felt recoil... :rolleyes:

Yeah, I bet it's no fun at all. Still, at $350 full retail, I'm pretty sure I can find one for less than $3 bills OTD at one of the LGS' that I stay on good terms with. For that sort of dough, I can probably find a use, even if it's just as a hybrid dry fire trainer/ant farm to watch the internal wheelie goodness. The ejector is another issue...

http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/attachments/taurus-revolvers/70508d1387340336-new-2014-taurus-85-view-taurus85-view2.png

Index... index, please...

Wayne Dobbs
12-29-2013, 11:45 PM
What an abortion...

WDW
12-29-2013, 11:59 PM
Just remember, no matter how cool or nice a Taurus looks, it's probably a poorly made piece of s***

JodyH
12-30-2013, 11:30 AM
I barely trust S&W to make a titanium cylinder.
There's no way I'd trust my fingers to Taurus's metallurgists.

Tamara
12-30-2013, 11:55 AM
Just remember, no matter how cool or nice a Taurus looks, it's probably a poorly made piece of s***

Quoted For Truth.

I mean, if you're just buying something as a toy, it's not that big a deal, I guess. I mean, if your Circuit Judge carbine pukes, it's no big deal, since you bought it just because it looked like big, goofy steampunk fun.

Lester Polfus
12-30-2013, 12:25 PM
Taurus consistently makes guns I would consider buying, if somebody other than Taurus made them.

I don't think this is one of them, but I AM curious about how one extracts fired cartridges from the cylinder on this.

Or is it made to be loaded once, fired, and then thrown away?

jon volk
12-30-2013, 12:36 PM
Or is it made to be loaded once, fired, and then thrown away?

It was cheaper to rewrite the business model than revamp the entire manufacturing and quality infrastructure.

Tamara
12-30-2013, 12:58 PM
Taurus consistently makes guns I would consider buying, if somebody other than Taurus made them.

The .41 Mag titanium Tracker would have been a hella woods gun if it had been made by Smith.

Lester Polfus
12-30-2013, 01:01 PM
The .41 Mag titanium Tracker would have been a hella woods gun if it had been made by Smith.

That was exactly one that I was thinking of, along with the .22LR/.22 Mag interchangeable cylinder revolver they make.

Kyle Reese
12-30-2013, 04:08 PM
These are sure to be the darlings of the popular gun press once released.


Flawless!!!


Must buy!!!!


A must for home defense!

Joe in PNG
12-30-2013, 05:04 PM
These are sure to be the darlings of the popular gun press once released.

Well, yeah, they'll happily buy enough huge, expensive full page ads to vie for that honor.

Chuck Haggard
12-30-2013, 06:37 PM
Is that Jessie?

and I'm not asking for the reasons some might think.

ToddG
12-30-2013, 08:00 PM
Is that Jessie?

Yes, it is.

Wayne Dobbs
12-30-2013, 08:37 PM
When you sell crap guns, you need a hot "thang"...

Joe in PNG
12-30-2013, 08:41 PM
When you sell crap guns, you need a hot "thang"...

It's a bit like the 'Law of Inverse Auto Radio Audibility'- the crappier the car, the louder they shout at you on the radio.

EZ357
12-30-2013, 11:56 PM
Does anyone know why this discontinued this 6 shot +p rated .38. snub nose special.The ejector on that model 85 has got to be tried out.

Totem Polar
12-31-2013, 03:35 AM
When you sell crap guns, you need a hot "thang"...

Lord, help me resist the obvious "there's more than one 38 in that promo pic" wisecrack, before I give in to temptatio...

Oh. too late. I'm going to hell.

ToddG
12-31-2013, 08:28 AM
OK, gentlemen. Back to behaving like gentlemen. Thank you.

Totem Polar
12-31-2013, 10:04 AM
On it. Apologies.

FotoTomas
12-31-2013, 11:50 AM
I am not a fan of House Taurus but I do have a point about some of their products. While I do not own and would not likely purchase the original Model 85 .38 snub, it has a very loyal and popular following amongst many officers of the law as a backup gun for duty carry. Seems the cost and reliability coupled with the recommendations of many local cop rangemasters keeps them in pocket, vest and ankle holsters in my local LE. My friend and chief rangemaster of a large sheriff's office in central Florida has one and swears by it and I have fired it myself at the range. It seems to be as good as any S&W J I bring to the line. I find a comparable small revolver to be a great asset as a 2nd gun for many reasons and the M85 seems to be a pretty good option for those without the S&W snobbery I have or a limited budget. I admit however if I needed a budget snub I would go with the Charter Arms Undercover.

This micro, chopped, lightened, pimped and marketed version is not however in my opinion deserving of the M85 name. Then again we will see if the marketing campaign succeeds and they do not have a history of blowing up or getting people killed.

It does remind me a lot of the little revolvers found in the dollar store "SWAT Playsets" for children. :)

Chuck Haggard
12-31-2013, 12:04 PM
I used to be OK with Taurus revolvers from experience with them, till I got three in a row that were lemons, including an 85

EMC
12-31-2013, 02:26 PM
My father just purchased a "Raging Judge" after many discussions where I tried to reason with him. It is the weight of a boat anchor and quick reloads aren't going to be realistic given the double cylinder lock. Despite all this (and the stigma) I still want to shoot it just for the novelty.

Tamara
12-31-2013, 02:58 PM
I used to be OK with Taurus revolvers from experience with them, till I got three in a row that were lemons, including an 85

^^^This right here.

To avoid retyping the whole sorry story, here's a link (http://booksbikesboomsticks.blogspot.com/2006/11/boomsticks-love-is-blind.html).

Chuck Haggard
12-31-2013, 04:34 PM
The last straw for me was a brand new in box snub that wouldn't even close the cylinder to be dry fired, which they wanted me to pay for shipping to send it back on my own dime. I got it back from the factory after warranty service and it would now close, but the action wouldn't cycle anymore. After it came back from the second trip it got traded at a gun show with full disclosure.

Totem Polar
12-31-2013, 04:57 PM
In the interest of full disclosure, I started this thread more because I thought it was a note of interest--and an extremely novel revolver--not because I truly need another Taurus. I currently have two tauri in my safe, both original post-recall PT-22s from the early 90s (bought when they first came out, exchanged shortly thereafter under recall). One, my own, has stopped functioning-as in: the trigger will no longer pull, nor will the hammer rise. This was noticed after the slide flew off one day while shooting at the range. To be fair, that one has some rounds through it; I've probably got my money out of that one long before kittens hit the bedsheets.

The other used to be my dad's; bought simultaneously with mine. A few years ago, he decided my wife needed it more than he did, so he gave it to her. Shortly thereafter, while performing a safety inspection (knowing more about guns now than I did whilst in college) I discovered that if one pulls the trigger on that exemplar with the safety engaged, it will disengage the safety (you can watch it flip down of its own volition, as if possessed) and fire. Not good. The reason they reside in the safe boils down to both time v desire, as well as the fact that shipping back on my dime costs almost as much as they are worth used (to say nothing of shipping back multiple times; a distinct possibility, IMLE) Not every gun in my safe is a user, that's for sure.

That said, I've had a couple of 85s that, while a bit ragged fit n finish-wise, always went bang. The growing J collection has long replaced them however. Right now, one brand of wheelie overwhelmingly dominates my own shelf space, with the odd guest appearance by Ruger on occasion.

Tamara
12-31-2013, 05:03 PM
Oh, dude, nobody's bagging on you. The thread just took a hard left turn to Tangentsville, that's all. ;)

Totem Polar
12-31-2013, 05:24 PM
^^^So what else is new? :D

I mean, a novel marketing campaign thread once lasted all of one page before we began an exhaustive survey of each other's porn names...

TheTrevor
12-31-2013, 05:33 PM
That was exactly one that I was thinking of, along with the .22LR/.22 Mag interchangeable cylinder revolver they make.

FWIW, the Ruger Single Six Convertible is pretty awesome. And it's not a Taurus.

Shooting 22WMR through a friend's example of same with the apparently less-common 9.5 inch barrel was ridiculously fun. I may or may not have giggled a bit after my first shot.

Tamara
12-31-2013, 06:14 PM
FWIW, the Ruger Single Six Convertible is pretty awesome. And it's not a Taurus.

Shooting 22WMR through a friend's example of same with the apparently less-common 9.5 inch barrel was ridiculously fun. I may or may not have giggled a bit after my first shot.

I know I lose a corner off my gun nut card for admitting this, but I seem to have lost the ability to get spun up over single action revolvers. It must've happened about ten years ago and I just didn't notice it at the time. I'm not proud of this fact but, there, I've admitted it. :(

Lester Polfus
12-31-2013, 08:15 PM
FWIW, the Ruger Single Six Convertible is pretty awesome. And it's not a Taurus.

Shooting 22WMR through a friend's example of same with the apparently less-common 9.5 inch barrel was ridiculously fun. I may or may not have giggled a bit after my first shot.

That's a strong second contender, but I'd prefer a K-Frame Smith....

Chuck Haggard
01-01-2014, 09:07 AM
I know I lose a corner off my gun nut card for admitting this, but I seem to have lost the ability to get spun up over single action revolvers. It must've happened about ten years ago and I just didn't notice it at the time. I'm not proud of this fact but, there, I've admitted it. :(


I'm with you on that one.


The world needs a nice DA .22lr/.22mag wheelgun

Chuck Whitlock
01-01-2014, 09:47 AM
Question....

Why does the Single-Six need separate cylinders for .22LR/.22 Mag?

Can .22 LR not be fired in a .22 Mag cylinder, like .38 Special in a .357, or .22 short/long in a .22 LR?

Chuck Haggard
01-01-2014, 09:59 AM
Question....

Why does the Single-Six need separate cylinders for .22LR/.22 Mag?

Can .22 LR not be fired in a .22 Mag cylinder, like .38 Special in a .357, or .22 short/long in a .22 LR?


Nope.

.22mag is actually slightly larger in diameter than .22lr. When you try to fire .22lr in a magnum chamber the brass swells and most often splits.

I did a lot of..... lets call it "scientific experimentation" in high school.

Tamara
01-01-2014, 10:14 AM
I did a lot of..... lets call it "scientific experimentation" in high school.

I have been known to occasionally check my results on that experiment and I can confirm that it does, indeed, still work that way. :o

NETim
01-01-2014, 10:23 AM
Nope.

.22mag is actually slightly larger in diameter than .22lr. When you try to fire .22lr in a magnum chamber the brass swells and most often splits.

I did a lot of..... lets call it "scientific experimentation" in high school.

Same here... At the expense of one chicken coop roof.

Chuck Haggard
01-01-2014, 10:45 AM
In high school I invented the rocket propelled shotgun slug.

True story.

NETim
01-01-2014, 10:48 AM
My contribution was an Anti-Wasp nest mortar.

It turned out that it had far more power than its designers realized.

DanH
01-01-2014, 11:30 AM
It's like I've found my long lost kin.

Hold my beer and watch this...

Casual Friday
01-01-2014, 11:54 AM
Well looks like I have a new wallpaper....

Chuck Haggard
01-01-2014, 03:04 PM
In looking at the Jessie pic, she doesn't look happy, finger on trigger, pointing downward, truck door is open.... perhaps she is about to Costa shoot some dude standing just outside her truck door, thus making the "four rules" violations moot?

Casual Friday
01-01-2014, 05:18 PM
In looking at the Jessie pic, she doesn't look happy, finger on trigger, pointing downward, truck door is open.... perhaps she is about to Costa shoot some dude standing just outside her truck door, thus making the "four rules" violations moot?

A guy can dream....

jh9
01-23-2014, 08:49 PM
I seem to recall S&W K-frames being sold through CDNN or some other outfit that had a similar see-through sideplate. They were marketed as non-firing-only guns. I have a rudimentary understanding of the design and kind of wonder how many rounds a lexan subsitute would handle before the frame warped.

The abbreviated grip and barrel are interesting. It's like 75% of a novel, interesting idea with the last 25% added on at the last minute by a coke-and-hookers-addled junior executive needing to make his mark on the project. I can only guess the gold plated hammer was added by HIS boss. Because reasons. I guess.

LSP972
01-24-2014, 12:00 PM
Brownell's sells a clear plastic sideplate for K frames. It is intended to be an armorer's aid. Without the sideplate in place, the trigger, hammer, and hand tend to squirm around when the trigger is pulled, and this can interfere with a mechanic checking out how the sear interacts with the trigger during the DA pull.

Slap that clear sideplate on, and it "locks down" the pieces parts so the mechanic can see what is going on and therefore know where to apply the stone.

.

Polecat
02-08-2014, 08:45 AM
This is great. S&W made a centennial with Aluminum cylinder of a 9oz. weight, I think a prototype and didn't bring it to market. Heck, my 342 PD was 10.8 oz. and it felt like a grenade going off in your hand. You will see ALOT of these on the used market. Women will be drawn to it by the gun pushers, then they'll go shoot it 1 or 2 rounds, grimace and get rid of it.

I can't imagine why they decided to put a plastic sideplate on such a lightweight design, which in theory would probably benefit from ever lit bit of extra structural support.

Have fun,

Dave

Tamara
02-08-2014, 11:25 AM
In looking at the Jessie pic, she doesn't look happy...

Dude, she's holding a Taurus. Would you look happy? :p

SAWBONES
02-08-2014, 12:11 PM
Just to chime in, some of the earlier Taurus guns were actually OK.

Back in '87, I bought a new stainless Model 85 that worked fine and appeared to be well fitted, and though I couldn't resist later trading it in toward a European (butt-heel mag release) Sig P220, I often wish I still had that little J-frame copy.

My BIL also still has the Taurus copy of the Beretta 92 from the same period, that's never given any trouble, and continues to run after a quarter century.


OTOH, my old shooting buddy a decade ago had a sad penchant for buying newly-released Taurus guns, and he was forever sending them back for "repair" when they failed to function right out of the box.

Chuck Haggard
02-08-2014, 03:48 PM
Dude, she's holding a Taurus. Would you look happy? :p

In 1984 with my brand new PT99af, I did. Nowadays, not as much.


I would want to look happy, but Taurus for me has been similar to my experience a very long time ago in dating strippers, seems like a great idea at the time, then............. ends in disappointment.

Totem Polar
02-08-2014, 04:22 PM
Dude, she's holding a Taurus. Would you look happy? :p

QFT.

farscott
02-09-2014, 03:20 PM
Titanium cylinder and BARREL? How the heck is a titanium barrel rifled? ECM? How does one hold tolerances on a titanium barrel? Titanium is famous for eating good tools. I also wonder if the barrel and cylinder have a finish to stop erosion like S&W added to the AirLite Ti line.

Between it being a Taurus and having a titanium barrel, I am going to stay away -- far away -- from any beta testers. If it was offered by Ruger, I would be all over it. Taurus squandered any enthusiasm I once had for the brand's products.

Tamara
02-09-2014, 03:26 PM
Titanium cylinder and BARREL? How the heck is a titanium barrel rifled?

I wonder if it's not a steel liner and titanium shroud? Dunno.

Stephanie B
03-15-2014, 06:24 PM
Well, in full disclosure mode (what with this being my first post on this board), my primary carry gun is a Taurus 605 with C/T grips. The gun has some light pitting under the grips from moisture that I didn't address in time. Bluing's worn a bit in spots.

The gun goes bang every time and I've shot it a fair number of times. I've never had an issue with it. But then again, it's probably over 16 years old and maybe they made them better back then. It's light enough for carry purposes, but not so light that I feel as though I'm being beaten to death when I fire .38+Ps through it.

It's a Taurus. If someone wanted to take it from me, I'd try to break their arm. :)

Tamara
03-15-2014, 07:14 PM
But then again, it's probably over 16 years old and maybe they made them better back then.

It was somewhere around '03-'04 that I first took notice of a steep rise in QC issues on the small-frame Taurus revos. They'd been a fairly safe bet before that in my experience.

Totem Polar
03-15-2014, 07:46 PM
Agreed; in the mid-to-late 90's the 85s and 605s were pretty solid. I had one of each; my 605 was one of the custom shop things back when Jack Weigand himself ran the deal.

Tamara
03-15-2014, 08:20 PM
...my 605 was one of the custom shop things back when Jack Weigand himself ran the deal.

Man, I had forgotten all about that.

"No, kid, seriously. Back in the '90s Jack Roush used to run the Kia factory racing team..."

Chuck Haggard
03-16-2014, 11:03 AM
I had a PT99af that was awesomely reliable through thousands of rounds, with not a few +P and +P+ 115gr rounds thrown in. All of the early Taurus snubs I bought were reliable and well built.

Since those early guns I have been terribly disappointed in every single Taurus I have shot, with the exception of a 732 I am playing with at the moment. So far that one has been 100%. Some of the QC issues I have seen with their wheelguns could have been spotted by Ray Charles and should have never made it off the assembly line, let alone out the door.

Stephen
03-16-2014, 06:43 PM
Saw this linked recently on another forum. Guy bought 2 Taruii wheelguns. Both broke on the first range trip.

http://youtu.be/MVg2vKcSRvw

I would definitely buy a Model 94 if I had even a shred of faith it in not being complete junk.