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Slavex
12-17-2013, 08:39 PM
Todd, you're going to love this

Here are the highlights from a recent coroners report in Montreal,



For the Quebec Ministry of Public Security:

Clear guidelines for police who come into physical contact with an individual who has not been detained or arrested.
Clear guidelines for when a police officer is authorized to take a weapon out of its holster, when an officer can fire a weapon and at what point he or she should stop shooting.
A clearly stated position on the controversial practice and training of patrol officers to shoot at the core of a person's body, until the threat has ended, knowing that this practice, almost systematically, results in shots being fired unnecessarily.
Ensure that the police force does not equip patrol officers with firearms for which the sequence of the gunshots following the initial shot is swift enough [to fire] ... 3 to 5 bullets in 1 second or 1.5 seconds.

For the City of Montreal and the borough council of Montreal North:

Create a public action plan for poverty and social exclusion for residents in Montreal North.

For Montreal police:

Ensure that police called to work in Montreal North receive training for dealing with members of ethnocultural minority groups and understanding their perceptions of police.

For the Quebec police school:

Create and implement training to teach officers how to respond when an officer or their partner is attacked.
Create and implement training that teaches officers how to distinguish between criminal profiling, racial profiling and social profiling.

Montreal police will follow recommendations

Montreal police Chief Marc Parent said that while he still has to go through the full report, which is over 100 pages long, the police department generally supports the coroner's findings.

Parent said the police department plans to implement the recommendations directed specifically at the force, while also being sensitive to other recommendations that may indirectly affect police.

He added that respect is a core value of the police force, and a value he has upheld since he took over in September 2010.

“As long as we are respectful, we will be treated with respect in our interventions,” Parent said.

Villanueva's family is expected to react to the coroner's report later today.

Malamute
12-17-2013, 09:07 PM
...Ensure that the police force does not equip patrol officers with firearms for which the sequence of the gunshots following the initial shot is swift enough [to fire] ... 3 to 5 bullets in 1 second or 1.5 seconds...



So, are they considering single shot pistols?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44Sy3-KKrqc

MD7305
12-17-2013, 09:59 PM
MD7305's recommendation to coroner:

Immediately perform autopsy on self. Disregard head/skull due to lack of brain.

EMC
12-17-2013, 10:02 PM
Seems appropriate the Police Chief is named "Parent".

Kyle Reese
12-17-2013, 10:03 PM
So, are they considering single shot pistols?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44Sy3-KKrqc

No- just buy up some Nagant M1895 revolvers and name them Nouveau pistolet de police du Québec.

JAD
12-17-2013, 10:38 PM
“As long as we are respectful, we will be treated with respect in our interventions,” Parent said.

I think somebody needs to do a ride along with dB.

ToddG
12-18-2013, 04:45 AM
Clear guidelines for when a police officer is authorized to take a weapon out of its holster, when an officer can fire a weapon and at what point he or she should stop shooting.

Whenever he feels there is a reasonable likelihood of danger to himself or others; whenever he reasonably believes said danger is imminent; when the suspect is clearly no longer capable of being a threat.


A clearly stated position on the controversial practice and training of patrol officers to shoot at the core of a person's body, until the threat has ended, knowing that this practice, almost systematically, results in shots being fired unnecessarily.

Option A: abandon said controversial practice and instead train all members of the force to a level where they can fire a cold bore shot while wearing gloves into a 3" head zone on an erratically moving target at 25yd while running to cover 100% of the time regardless of lighting or other environmental conditions.

Option B: continue to follow the well-established practice of aiming at the upper torso as primary target zone when available due to the location of multiple large critical organs in that area providing for the best chance of rapid incapacitation and reduced chance of missing/endangering innocent bystanders.


Ensure that the police force does not equip patrol officers with firearms for which the sequence of the gunshots following the initial shot is swift enough [to fire] ... 3 to 5 bullets in 1 second or 1.5 seconds.

"Splits never won a gunfight," right?


Ensure that police called to work in Montreal North receive training for dealing with members of ethnocultural minority groups and understanding their perceptions of police.

God put everyone's A-zones in the same place regardless of race, religion, creed, or color.


Create and implement training to teach officers how to respond when an officer or their partner is attacked.

If the attack is non-lethal, beat the hell out of the guy.
If the attack is lethal, kill him.


Montreal police Chief Marc Parent said that while he still has to go through the full report, which is over 100 pages long, the police department generally supports the coroner's findings.

Pro Tip: read the whole thing before agreeing to it (see, e.g., Obamacare).

Casual Friday
12-18-2013, 08:22 AM
So, are they considering single shot pistols?


Maybe this will be the new Quebec PD service pistol?

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-GWpWk11dfbg/UJJ5cp4MyOI/AAAAAAAAAMM/lwQb_DQB7NU/s400/HeroNOBG20111226.gif

jon volk
12-18-2013, 10:16 AM
God put everyone's A-zones in the same place regardless of race, religion, creed, or color.





Best thing Ive read all week. ;)

Chuck Haggard
12-18-2013, 12:32 PM
Part of the frustration of being in cop work is the number of people completely clueless about the realities of violent who want to throw their opinions into the mix.

The same mindset involved in this BS is what leads to coppers not being able to use safe and effective UOF techniques and tactics like LVNR, just because they don't like it.

Wendell
12-18-2013, 01:01 PM
Gazette coverage:
http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/montreal/Fredy+Villanueva+coroner+report+Human+circumstance s+year/9295791/story.html (http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/montreal/Fredy+Villanueva+coroner+report+Human+circumstance s+year/9295791/story.html)

WobblyPossum
12-18-2013, 04:00 PM
Finally, the coroner had recommendations for the Education Department — that it should ensure youths be taught proper ways to behave when approached by police
If kids in Montreal don't know that you shouldn't physically resist when being arrested, or that you shouldn't intervene in the arrest of someone else, then somebody should probably tell them.

jon volk
12-18-2013, 08:16 PM
If kids in Montreal don't know that you shouldn't physically resist when being arrested, or that you shouldn't intervene in the arrest of someone else, then somebody should probably tell them.

I kind of prefer letting natural selection take its course in such scenarios.

Maple Syrup Actual
12-18-2013, 08:31 PM
If kids in Montreal don't know that you shouldn't physically resist when being arrested, or that you shouldn't intervene in the arrest of someone else, then somebody should probably tell them.

Restez calme et relaxez-vous, grenouilles.

Ou vous devez prendre vos medicaments, tabarnac.