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Lost River
12-15-2013, 01:26 PM
Hey all,

I figured we could post pics and discuss our outdoorsmen/woodsbumming revolvers.

Here are a pair of 4" .44s from S&W, a 29-2 and 629-something Can't recall off top of my head) :



http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b109/IV_Troop/Taffin44project030.jpg (http://s18.photobucket.com/user/IV_Troop/media/Taffin44project030.jpg.html)



Custom 5" 29-2 and a 4" Redhawk .44, both carried in Milt Sparks leather:

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b109/IV_Troop/012-5.jpg (http://s18.photobucket.com/user/IV_Troop/media/012-5.jpg.html)

I've found through handloading that the .44s meet my practical needs perfectly for a big bore revolver, being able to shoot mild loads for small game, to heavy loads for elk and such. I've never needed more.

Malamute
12-15-2013, 02:39 PM
I like the 29's quite a lot. I have a 4"er that I got in the early 80's, it's my favorite and most carried gun. I carry Ruger SA 45's some also. I tore a ligament in my right thumb years ago and found that I could shoot an SA much sooner than a DA (it was years before I could even shoot a 22 right handed). With heavy loads its pretty noticeable how much more comfortable the SA's are. I mostly shoot 9 grs Unique with the Lyman 429421 bullet, or a commercial equivalent. It's very comfortable to shoot, and flattens out trajectory noticeably over a 44 spl level load. It's not too difficult to bang the steel plate @ 300 yards with that load. I use the Keith load for the mountains (22 grs 2400/250 gr Lyman). I load a few 290 gr SWC loads and carry them now and then in a different 44. They run about 1225 fps in a 6" barrel.

I use a variety of loads in the 45's, the low end is a 250 @ 900 fps, the high end is a 325 gr @ about 1250 fps.


The 29. The leather is a Threepersons type I had a friend make for me. I recently had it lined.
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b387/Malamute/outdoor%20sports/IMG_1299.jpg

Vaquero,
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b387/Malamute/outdoor%20sports/IMG_1064.jpg

Flat topped Blackhawk, (camera had a weird distortion)
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b387/Malamute/outdoor%20sports/IMG_1057.jpg

My new favorite leather for the Rugers. A Miles City type. With the adjustable sighted gun its perfect, it wont come out if turned upside down, but comes out when needed.

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b387/Malamute/outdoor%20sports/IMG_2434.jpg

Lost River
12-15-2013, 03:02 PM
That 29 is gorgeous! I have a serious soft spot for N frame 44s, and well used, but not abused finishes. Yours is a shining example of a gun that looks like it has seen years of use in the outdoors, and has many stories to tell.

The NM Bhawk .45 that you Flattopped is a great looking sidearm as well, for the same reason.

Funny you mention the Unique load. I use 8.5 and 10 grains Unique as my light and medium loads. Pounded thousands and thousands of them downrange.

field pics?

Malamute
12-15-2013, 03:06 PM
Field pics? I don't really have any, other than this a friend took when we were camping up on the mountain.

The Blackhawk was a fun project. Its not quite done as I wanted it. The gunsmith that did the front sight didn't follow my directions, I'll probably end up having another one made. I wanted a basic copy of a Colt Flat Top Target front sight. I also hand polished the action, shortened base pin (for a longer ejector stroke), made one piece rosewood grips, beveled cylinder edge, and it has a crescent ejector rod and cam cut housing. I removed all the junk Ruger stamped on the barrel also. It has a grooved trigger and Super hammer also. I reshaped the hammer to get rid of the chunky blocky look Ruger hammers have when cocked.

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b387/Malamute/outdoor%20sports/IMG_1320_zps23d1b46f.jpg

Lost River
12-15-2013, 11:38 PM
Great looking field pic. The high country always makes for some good backdrops. While I often carry a glock 21 .45 in the backcountry, for various reasons, I also spend a good amount of time with one of my 44 mags. The addition of wolf packs being prevalent where I recreate and hunt has caused me to carry the glock 21 or a 1911 instead of the N Frames.

I do really enjoy getting out and hunting with the wheelguns though.

Though I have a number, I'm not as big of a fan of the single actions. I simply shoot the DA Smith revolvers better. A nice N frame just has a "feel" to it that is so familiar, it's almost second nature to operate one. 1911s have always been the same. This seems in spite of years of carrying Glocks....

Malamute
12-16-2013, 01:24 PM
The addition of wolf packs being prevalent where I recreate and hunt has caused me to carry the glock 21 or a 1911 instead of the N Frames.


Though I have a number, I'm not as big of a fan of the single actions. I simply shoot the DA Smith revolvers better. A nice N frame just has a "feel" to it that is so familiar, it's almost second nature to operate one. 1911s have always been the same. This seems in spite of years of carrying Glocks....


Theres a large number of woofs here, as well as being about knee deep in grizzlies. The official numbers are widely ridiculed as being purposefully low for political reasons by people that get out in the hills much or are familiar with the areas they claim to have numbers for. I've not seen many woofs, but their tracks are pretty common in the high country. I hear them now and then, even from home (a neighbor also saw one in his yard in the middle of the night). All that I can gather from the guys in Alaska that have shot them, they tend to scatter at the first shot, even when acting very sneaky and acting in stalking behavior (like laying in ambush on a trail somebody is walking down). I always carry a rifle when out, it's my first choice no matter what, but still feel fine with a sixgun.

I started shooting with single action 22's, then 357 and 44 Rugers, I couldn't make a good guess how many rounds I've shot through the 22's. They feel more natural in hand than anything else, though Smiths are a close second, particularly the K's. I've never shot an auto as well as a revolver in any context, despite shooting 1911's a fair bit years ago. Just never could get the same feel, or warm up to them, especially as a field gun. I'm not as natural out of the leather with SA's as a Smith, just never worked at it. The Smiths seem to be pretty natural for me with the right holster.

SeriousStudent
12-16-2013, 05:35 PM
Thank both of you gentlemen for the photos. I do appreciate them.

Tamara
12-16-2013, 08:05 PM
The 29. The leather is a Threepersons type I had a friend make for me. I recently had it lined.
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b387/Malamute/outdoor%20sports/IMG_1299.jpg

I am so madly in love with the gun in that picture that it's not even funny.

You don't sass back to a person carries a gun looks like that.

NETim
12-16-2013, 09:02 PM
Why does/did Smith build their 4" 29's with target triggers? Or why did so many buy 'em that way? My 6" 29-2 is a great gun, but that TT sucks for DA work. :mad:

NETim
12-16-2013, 09:03 PM
I am so madly in love with the gun in that picture that it's not even funny.

You don't sass back to a person carries a gun looks like that.

That looks like the Elmer Keith Edition.

Malamute
12-16-2013, 09:23 PM
Why does/did Smith build their 4" 29's with target triggers? Or why did so many buy 'em that way? My 6" 29-2 is a great gun, but that TT sucks for DA work. :mad:

The later 29's* had a medium width trigger compared to the earlier ones I've had. The one in the pic has the medium width, it was bought new in about '82.

I don't mind the target triggers, and seriously dislike the smooth ones. Guess that's what makes the world go 'round.


*Just realized how much I dated myself when I call a 30-some year old gun a "later" one.

GJM
12-16-2013, 09:48 PM
This thread got my going through my pre-digital photo scrap books. I found this picture from 20 or 21 years ago, before we moved to Alaska. This is Dall sheep hunting in the Alaska Range. We were seven days into the hunt (and from a shower), getting low on food, and descending off the mountain back to main camp, I shot this caribou at 55 yards with a 5.5 inch Ruger Redhawk, .44 magnum and Garrett ammo. Not a big bull, but protein was a good thing. We ended up getting our Dall sheep days 14 and 15 of a 10 day hunt. My wife was sponsored racing mountain bikes for Yeti at that time, and we both lost nearly 10 pounds on the hunt.

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg251/GJMandes/boo1_zps91a2640d.jpg (http://s250.photobucket.com/user/GJMandes/media/boo1_zps91a2640d.jpg.html)

LSP552
12-16-2013, 09:49 PM
Thanks for those great pictures! I love big bore revolvers. My toys include two early 3rd gen Colt New Frontiers in .44 Special (7 1/2" and 5 1/2") and a Ruger .45/.45ACP convertible New Model Blackhawk. The .45 convertible was nice when I had an unlimited supply of .45 ACP but doesn't get shot much today.

I'd love to find a 4" 29.

Ken

Malamute
12-16-2013, 10:08 PM
I don't have a spare 4" 29, but if you feel a desire to find a good home for one of the 44 NF's, I'd probably do all sorts of foolish things to find the money.


I found an acp cylinder for my vaquero. I don't actually shoot it much. Nice to have along on the road though, acp ammo is easier to find than 45 Colt loads in case I shot up what I take, and couldn't load more.

Skullybones
12-16-2013, 10:16 PM
I'll play along. I traded Smith for Smith for this model 57. It was originally nickel, but the previous owner blued it when the nickel became worn. One of my favorite magnum calibers. I carry this while practicing for SAR in wilderness areas.

http://s25.postimg.org/ds6576kfv/model_57.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/ds6576kfv/)

LHS
12-16-2013, 11:03 PM
My sole 'big-bore' wheelgun is an old-model, large-frame stainless .44 Mag Vaquero I lucked into a while back. I got into reloading solely to feed it. I still need to find some decent leather for it, too.

But I'm with Tam, that 4" 29 is dead sexy. That's a gun that's been around the block (or the ridgeline) a time or two.

Malamute
12-17-2013, 12:59 AM
My sole 'big-bore' wheelgun is an old-model, large-frame stainless .44 Mag Vaquero I lucked into a while back. I got into reloading solely to feed it. I still need to find some decent leather for it, too.

But I'm with Tam, that 4" 29 is dead sexy. That's a gun that's been around the block (or the ridgeline) a time or two.



I was going to reply to Tams post, but wasn't sure what to say. "Do you want to shoot it some time?" seemed like it was open to um, misunderstanding. :D

TheTrevor
12-17-2013, 01:12 AM
The 29. The leather is a Threepersons type I had a friend make for me. I recently had it lined.
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b387/Malamute/outdoor%20sports/IMG_1299.jpg

I like all of them, but that 29 and rig have more character than a wagonload of Jesuits.

My middle child has been after me to add a wheelgun to the stable. I really hope he doesn't see this thread.

LHS
12-17-2013, 01:24 AM
I was going to reply to Tams post, but wasn't sure what to say. "Do you want to shoot it some time?" seemed like it was open to um, misunderstanding. :D

Let her get hands on that hogleg, and I doubt she'd care.

That said, who made the leather for your Rugers? I tried googling on the maker's mark, but it seems like that's an old company that's being emulated now rather than still actively making holsters.

GJM
12-17-2013, 01:25 AM
I like the 29's quite a lot. I have a 4"er that I got in the early 80's, it's my favorite and most carried gun. I carry Ruger SA 45's some also. I tore a ligament in my right thumb years ago and found that I could shoot an SA much sooner than a DA (it was years before I could even shoot a 22 right handed). With heavy loads its pretty noticeable how much more comfortable the SA's are. I mostly shoot 9 grs Unique with the Lyman 429421 bullet, or a commercial equivalent. It's very comfortable to shoot, and flattens out trajectory noticeably over a 44 spl level load. It's not too difficult to bang the steel plate @ 300 yards with that load. I use the Keith load for the mountains (22 grs 2400/250 gr Lyman). I load a few 290 gr SWC loads and carry them now and then in a different 44. They run about 1225 fps in a 6" barrel.

I use a variety of loads in the 45's, the low end is a 250 @ 900 fps, the high end is a 325 gr @ about 1250 fps.


The 29. The leather is a Threepersons type I had a friend make for me. I recently had it lined.
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b387/Malamute/outdoor%20sports/IMG_1299.jpg



Beautiful rig. Think it is a tad bit classier than my a Wilderness belt/Scandium 329 (Bowen customized)/Leatherman/Surefire combo?

I have a Bowen lightened and shortened stainless .44 magnum Ruger SA that is way more comfortable to shoot than much heavier a S&W and Ruger DA revolvers.

Is that snake shot and do you use it much?

TCinVA
12-17-2013, 07:54 AM
This thread has led me directly to gunbroker, where I'm facing some serious temptation.

GJM
12-17-2013, 08:38 AM
Before the Scandium 329 was available, I had Hamilton Bowen make up a trim .44. The revolver shoots great, as in one inch +/- at 25 yards, and is surprisingly comfortable to shoot even with 300 grain hard cast full power loads. I figured out I would rather have a DA revolver in a fight with a bear, despite how sweet the Bowen .44 is, so it doesn't see much field use now.

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg251/GJMandes/bowen44_zpsc5326ddc.jpg (http://s250.photobucket.com/user/GJMandes/media/bowen44_zpsc5326ddc.jpg.html)

Here is my modern rig -- shoulder holster and chest rig.

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg251/GJMandes/survshth_zps2fdfb7a0.jpg (http://s250.photobucket.com/user/GJMandes/media/survshth_zps2fdfb7a0.jpg.html)

MK11
12-17-2013, 10:52 AM
Nice looking wheelies. Just remember the most important bear defense handgun mod--removing the front sight.......

Skullybones
12-17-2013, 12:00 PM
Before the Scandium 329 was available, I had Hamilton Bowen make up a trim .44. The revolver shoots great, as in one inch +/- at 25 yards, and is surprisingly comfortable to shoot even with 300 grain hard cast full power loads. I figured out I would rather have a DA revolver in a fight with a bear, despite how sweet the Bowen .44 is, so it doesn't see much field use now.

Here is my modern rig -- shoulder holster and chest rig.

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg251/GJMandes/survshth_zps2fdfb7a0.jpg (http://s250.photobucket.com/user/GJMandes/media/survshth_zps2fdfb7a0.jpg.html)

How does that carry with a pack on? Where do I get one made? Nice looking setup.

Malamute
12-17-2013, 12:16 PM
Beautiful rig. Think it is a tad bit classier than my a Wilderness belt/Scandium 329 (Bowen customized)/Leatherman/Surefire combo?

I have a Bowen lightened and shortened stainless .44 magnum Ruger SA that is way more comfortable to shoot than much heavier a S&W and Ruger DA revolvers.

Is that snake shot and do you use it much?

Thanks for the kind words.

I haven't handled one of the lightened guns. One reason I like the 45's in the SA's is they feel noticeably lighter and better in my hand. I have a 44 SA, but virtually never carry it. The work I did on the grip straps probably lightened the 45's a tiny bit also.

I've used snake shot a bit. I try to avoid places with snakes in the summer, but still run into them now and then. One place I lived was fairly snaky. I shot two at different times that were under the front steps (found them b y sound when I came home in the dark and stepped in the porch step), one in the garage door that I had stepped over without seeing, then noticed when I walked out, several in the yard, and one in the house. The bird shot loads are a bit hard on flooring, but it was just the sub-floor, so it wasn't too big of a deal. Other places had a few snakes also. The last two places I've lived I haven't seen any other than bull snakes and grass snakes. I still run into snakes out walking though. I mostly shoot them with light loads in the rifle, but keep the first round up a birdshot in the summer.

Malamute
12-17-2013, 12:21 PM
I am so madly in love with the gun in that picture that it's not even funny.

You don't sass back to a person carries a gun looks like that.



For some reason I keep thinking "Rather cunning, don't you think?" when I think of your post.

ACP230
12-18-2013, 08:39 AM
I have carried an old six-inch Ruger Blackhawk .357 often in the woods.
I think it rides best of the full-sized guns I've used.

A former police gun, a four-inch M28 has been along when I was trout fishing.

I've hunted rabbits at the tail end of the season with an old M1917 .45 ACP.
One the ones S&W made for Brazil in 1937-38. I put an Evans Wonder Sight on it.
And had it Parkerized.

A nickled Model M58 has been to the woods a few times in trout season.

So far, only the Blackhawk has taken game. I killed a snowshoe hare with it
using my .38 Special reloads.

GJM
12-18-2013, 09:13 AM
How does that carry with a pack on? Where do I get one made? Nice looking setup.

Depends. The chest rig has less interference with a big pack, but may conflict with you binoculars. I have been using a Glock 29 in the chest rig when sheep hunting. Last trip, I forgot my chest rig, and ended up using the shoulder holster which I flew up there with. I was happy, in particular with how the shoulder holster was more comfortable to sleep with in the tent, and now consider chest versus shoulder a toss up.

Both rigs are made by Survival Sheath Systems. Delivery and communication is very challenging, so buyer beware. I think there may be a new source soon, from a vendor highly respected by PF members.


Thanks for the kind words.

I haven't handled one of the lightened guns. One reason I like the 45's in the SA's is they feel noticeably lighter and better in my hand. I have a 44 SA, but virtually never carry it. The work I did on the grip straps probably lightened the 45's a tiny bit also.

I've used snake shot a bit. I try to avoid places with snakes in the summer, but still run into them now and then. One place I lived was fairly snaky. I shot two at different times that were under the front steps (found them b y sound when I came home in the dark and stepped in the porch step), one in the garage door that I had stepped over without seeing, then noticed when I walked out, several in the yard, and one in the house. The bird shot loads are a bit hard on flooring, but it was just the sub-floor, so it wasn't too big of a deal. Other places had a few snakes also. The last two places I've lived I haven't seen any other than bull snakes and grass snakes. I still run into snakes out walking though. I mostly shoot them with light loads in the rifle, but keep the first round up a birdshot in the summer.

Are you south -- to see that many snakes? Alaska doesn't have poisonous snakes, and where we hang out in CO is too high for them.

Malamute
12-18-2013, 11:17 AM
Are you south -- to see that many snakes? Alaska doesn't have poisonous snakes, and where we hang out in CO is too high for them.

Northern Rockies. At the lower elevations theres a fair number of snakes in some areas. I haven't seen any over about 3', most seem to be about 24"-30". That's one reason I like going up on the mountain in the summer, I'm just trading snakes for bears and skeeters though.


Pretty unusual, but this was from two days. I hadn't seen one for two years before that.

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b387/Malamute/outdoor%20sports/bill1.jpg

GJM
12-18-2013, 11:27 AM
With a bird dog that runs like crazy, that scares the bejesus out of me! Will take bears over snakes any day.

David Armstrong
12-18-2013, 11:31 AM
No pics, and no big bore guns here. For GP outdoorsmen revolver down here my S&W Mdl 18 in .22LR gets called on most, usually carried in a Bianchi Universal Military Revolver holster, usually with a couple of rounds of snakeshot up first. The alternative is my S&W 642, also with a couple of shot loads up top. Our worries here are snakes and the occassional feral dog pack so a bear stopper isn't needed much.

Malamute
12-18-2013, 11:34 AM
With a bird dog that runs like crazy, that scares the bejesus out of me! Will take bears over snakes any day.


It bothers me with dogs also. I had one dog get bit in the face once, it was really hard on her. The vet got her through it. I didn't like snakes before that, but took it personal afterwards.

My current dog was new to snakes. I saw a bull snake (good snake) in the road by the house, went and got the dog with her training collar and let her find it. When she did, and she got up to it, I gave her a good buzz. She jumped about 10 feet back, then barked like crazy at it. That's her current response to snakes, very interested, but wont get too close, just barks at them.

When I'm out with the dog(s), I kill all I see (rattlesnakes that is). There seems to be certain areas that have more or less snakes than others. I mostly avoid the snakier places when its warm enough for snakes.

Dagga Boy
12-18-2013, 12:42 PM
"Both rigs are made by Survival Sheath Systems. Delivery and communication is very challenging, so buyer beware. I think there may be a new source soon, from a vendor highly respected by PF members."

I have a couple rigs from his. Challenging is an understatement. Neat rigs, so I am glad that someone with some business sense taking over may be a good thing, because I swore I would never go through the headache of trying to get anything out of them.

JHC
12-18-2013, 03:23 PM
"Both rigs are made by Survival Sheath Systems. Delivery and communication is very challenging, so buyer beware. I think there may be a new source soon, from a vendor highly respected by PF members."

I have a couple rigs from his. Challenging is an understatement. Neat rigs, so I am glad that someone with some business sense taking over may be a good thing, because I swore I would never go through the headache of trying to get anything out of them.

I wonder if I may still see the knife sheath I ordered two years ago and was assured several times was about to ship. :D

Dagga Boy
12-18-2013, 06:05 PM
I wonder if I may still see the knife sheath I ordered two years ago and was assured several times was about to ship. :D

Your "items are shipping" from SS is like "If you like your healthcare plan, you can keep your healthcare plan". Makes you feel good, and then pisses you off to no end due to it being a blatant lie.

Clyde from Carolina
12-18-2013, 06:19 PM
I am so madly in love with the gun in that picture that it's not even funny.

You don't sass back to a person carries a gun looks like that.

What she said. My collection at this point is very small and shooter focused, with a bit of whimsy thrown in for my inner gun geek. To whit, the 1916 production Colt New Service in .455 that I rarely shoot but LOVE. I have a single Hk P7. That's lean and mean for this guy.

But I am viewing this thread and asking my self how anyone who so enjoyed Sixguns by Keith like yours truly did doesn't have a single N-frame. Forget the Triple Locks, I don't even have a basic Model 29 in 4" trim!

I need to get my priorities straight, obviously.

Drang
12-19-2013, 02:24 AM
Pretty unusual, but this was from two days. I hadn't seen one for two years before that.

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b387/Malamute/outdoor%20sports/bill1.jpg
Saw that many in one day at Pinon Canyon. Unfortunately, the best tool for the job the Army would let us have was a shovel.

Chuck Haggard
12-19-2013, 09:54 AM
Been to Pinon Canyon twice, a week at a time each, and never saw a snake. I feel robbed.

Malamute
12-19-2013, 11:44 AM
Saw that many in one day at Pinon Canyon. Unfortunately, the best tool for the job the Army would let us have was a shovel.


Shovels work fine, but aren't very handy to carry. I've shot them with bird shot and regular loads in various pistols, extra-light loads in centerfire rifles, 22 rifles, rocks, a shovel, and driven over them. I've tapped a couple on the head with a Winchester carbine butt also. I haven't tried the bushman method from the Gods Must Be Crazy movies (get behind it and grab the tail and flail its head on the ground)

A local shop mentioned that when the Guard went on field training he usually sold out of birdshot loads in 45 and 9mm.

I have absolutely no shame or remorse for killing rattlesnakes.

Skullybones
12-19-2013, 12:21 PM
I have absolutely no shame or remorse for killing rattlesnakes.

They taste pretty good too.

NEPAKevin
12-20-2013, 02:52 PM
I found a very used Colt 1917 in 45LC whose 6" barrel had been reamed out, best guess, to fire shot shells as a snake or rat gun. Picked up parts on various online auctions and put it back together as a 4" with cylinder assemblies for both the .45LC and .45acp or auto rim.
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-j-lhTu-R5NE/UrScta65DUI/AAAAAAAAATU/Fc_ZcPsErds/w863-h647-no/DSCN1521.JPG

Chuck Haggard
12-20-2013, 02:55 PM
Always nice to see a good old gun return from the dead.

Malamute
12-20-2013, 03:25 PM
With a bird dog that runs like crazy, that scares the bejesus out of me! Will take bears over snakes any day.


Been thinking about this for a day or two. I've felt that way at times, however snakes are easier to deal with, and the results aren't exactly the same. The consequences of a difficulty with a grizzly can be nearly instantaneous and profound. There have been a number of fatalities recently, including a couple or so folks that have been eaten after being killed. I accept the fact that theres bears here, and love the country they happen to live in, but snakes are a bit easier to deal with, either to avoid, kill or survive the worst type of encounter. Once a bear takes exception to your existence for whatever reason, the outcome is by no means certain.

GJM
12-20-2013, 03:49 PM
Been thinking about this for a day or two. I've felt that way at times, however snakes are easier to deal with, and the results aren't exactly the same. The consequences of a difficulty with a grizzly can be nearly instantaneous and profound. There have been a number of fatalities recently, including a couple or so folks that have been eaten after being killed. I accept the fact that theres bears here, and love the country they happen to live in, but snakes are a bit easier to deal with, either to avoid, kill or survive the worst type of encounter. Once a bear takes exception to your existence for whatever reason, the outcome is by no means certain.

Big bears are part of what makes Alaska …. well, Alaska, and I can't imagine Alaska without bears. Having something larger and more powerful is humbling and exciting. Bears also cause you to keep your practical shooting skills sharp, and spend countless hours obsessing over the firearms you carry in the field.

In contrast, if poisonous snakes disappeared from the lower 48, Canada and Africa, I can only imagine a better place. Besides worrying about our bird dog, Astro, I can't tell you how hard it was some days hunting elephant in the tall grass in Africa, knowing there were any number of snakes around capable of ending your life.

Lester Polfus
12-20-2013, 03:51 PM
I found a very used Colt 1917 in 45LC whose 6" barrel had been reamed out, best guess, to fire shot shells as a snake or rat gun. Picked up parts on various online auctions and put it back together as a 4" with cylinder assemblies for both the .45LC and .45acp or auto rim.
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-j-lhTu-R5NE/UrScta65DUI/AAAAAAAAATU/Fc_ZcPsErds/w863-h647-no/DSCN1521.JPG

That's a pretty cool piece. I've always wanted one of those. People also reamed out the barrels to use shot shells in trick shooting exhibitions. It's easier to hit things like marbles and such, and makes your backstop needs simplier.

That gun might have an interesting history.

Chuck Haggard
12-20-2013, 03:52 PM
No snakes means way more rats. More rats means more plague. I'd rather deal with snakes.

GJM
12-20-2013, 04:23 PM
No snakes means way more rats. More rats means more plague. I'd rather deal with snakes.

not no snakes, no poisonous snakes!

Chuck Haggard
12-20-2013, 04:37 PM
not no snakes, no poisonous snakes!


They obviously evolved for a good reason.

NEPAKevin
12-20-2013, 05:31 PM
That gun might have an interesting history.

That would be nice to know, but I have no idea how to go about it. I don't think the shop I purchased it from would be too helpful as they are high volume and it was many years ago. Your trick shooting scenario might also explain the grips it came with which appear to be some kind of target grips that were made for a different model and modified to fit this gun. That would be a lot of work for a 'shoot varmints around the farm' kind of gun. They look like these (http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/131060945485?lpid=82).

GJM
12-20-2013, 06:56 PM
They obviously evolved for a good reason.

Chuck, if this evolution thing worked so well, how do you explain liberals?

Chuck Haggard
12-20-2013, 07:29 PM
Chuck, if this evolution thing worked so well, how do you explain liberals?

Devolution.


Used to be that idiots got eaten by tigers and bears, lazy people starved. Nowadays we coddle and encourage such behavior.

NETim
12-20-2013, 07:33 PM
http://frontiernet.net/~netim/liberals.jpg

Malamute
12-20-2013, 08:18 PM
not no snakes, no poisonous snakes!



This.

I leave bull snakes and others alone, even though they can surprise you when they suddenly materialize a foot from your hand when reaching for the door latch on an outbuilding. It's an old story that bull snakes will keep rattlers away. I don't know if its true, but I'm glad to see the bulls, they'll eat mice just as well as a rattler.

Once some friends came by, the wife had her hand behind her back. I asked what she was doing, she reluctantly showed me the bull snake she had wrapped around her hand and arm. They'd seen it in the road coming over, she made him stop so she could pick it up and take it home, in the hope that it would help keep rattlesnakes away, and eat mice. She rather liked snakes in any event, it may have been a thinly veiled excuse to play with the snake for a bit.

Yes, I sort of enjoy the fact that bears are here, and the woofs and other critters. It does make this country part of what it is, and part of why I like it and live here. Having met people that have been chewed on, as well as the occasional fatalities and folks getting less seriously fluffed up in the news helps remind one to stay on their toes when out, which realistically speaking, can mean outside the front door.

jon volk
12-20-2013, 08:53 PM
it may have been a thinly veiled excuse to play with the snake for a bit.




http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/12/21/u6uhunav.jpg

Malamute
12-20-2013, 10:54 PM
....and she seemed so respectable.

Tamara
12-20-2013, 11:16 PM
Revolvers I own that have actually been up a tree stand with me are limited to this (http://cosmolineandrust.blogspot.com/2007/12/sunday-smith-28-model-629-1-1987.html) one and this (http://cosmolineandrust.blogspot.com/2007/10/sunday-smith-19-model-57-1980.html) one.

I think that 3" 629 might be my preference of the two, even if serious Elmer Keith Memorial Rhino Rollers make it do the "Whee! My cylinder's turning backwards!" thing. If you can't do it with 240gr bullets at 1200-1300fps, it's probably not really pistol work, anyway.

Chuck Haggard
12-20-2013, 11:28 PM
You own the coolest wheelies Tam, and seem to have bought all of them up.

Except for one my friend owns, he is retired from the KHP and has his first issue duty gun, a 38-44, with the also issued 38-44 WW metal piercing ammo that goes with it.

1slow
12-21-2013, 12:17 AM
Read some of Ross Seyfried's articles on .500, .475 Linebaugh revolvers by Hamilton Bowen. I played this game in the 1990s. A 4" barrel .500 Linebaugh Redhawk sending a 450 grain hard cast flat point at 1200 fps will shoot through an amazing amount of stuff. Pistol is about 3 lbs and rides in Sparks Arizona Ranger leather.

Chuck Haggard
12-21-2013, 01:16 AM
Read some of Ross Seyfried's articles on .500, .475 Linebaugh revolvers by Hamilton Bowen. I played this game in the 1990s. A 4" barrel .500 Linebaugh Redhawk sending a 450 grain hard cast flat point at 1200 fps will shoot through an amazing amount of stuff. Pistol is about 3 lbs and rides in Sparks Arizona Ranger leather.

That's because you ballistically speaking have a large bore buffalo rifle, that fits in a holster.

Tamara
12-21-2013, 08:58 AM
Read some of Ross Seyfried's articles on .500, .475 Linebaugh revolvers by Hamilton Bowen. I played this game in the 1990s. A 4" barrel .500 Linebaugh Redhawk sending a 450 grain hard cast flat point at 1200 fps will shoot through an amazing amount of stuff. Pistol is about 3 lbs and rides in Sparks Arizona Ranger leather.

Hamilton Bowen makes a sweet gat. I'm glad I finally got around to visiting his shop before I moved up here. (It was the next exit down the freeway from my house, but I went the other way to work.)

That whole uber-big-bore "How many wet phone books can I shoot through before my wrist gives way?" thing is a freaky little cult that is as weird in its own way as benchrest shooting or guys getting together to slice tatami mats at a "cutting party".

1slow
12-21-2013, 01:13 PM
Hamilton Bowen makes a sweet gat. I'm glad I finally got around to visiting his shop before I moved up here. (It was the next exit down the freeway from my house, but I went the other way to work.)

That whole uber-big-bore "How many wet phone books can I shoot through before my wrist gives way?" thing is a freaky little cult that is as weird in its own way as benchrest shooting or guys getting together to slice tatami mats at a "cutting party".

I liked shooting the 4" .500 Redhawk 30-50 rounds a session.
Where I found my limit was with the .500 Maximum. This uses a 1.6" case and launches a 450gr at 1500 fps out of a Bisley gripped, 6.5" barrel, converted Ruger Super Blackhawk .357 Maximum. This weighed 3.25 lbs.
I asked Mr. Bowen how far we could go and that was his answer. In his letter he said " it will be about as much fun as a sharp stick up the nose but if you want it I will build it." He built it, I shot the first 3 rounds and regretted that I needed to fire 2 more to finish the cylinder. I later traded this maximum to a friend who knew what he was getting into.
The Maximum was much worse to me than the S&W .500. Lighter pistol similar ballistics.

GJM
12-21-2013, 02:33 PM
Here is my thinking on a defensive big bore handgun for use in the US. If it can reliably penetrate the skull of a brown bear from various angles, it is good to go. If you have something that is substantially greater in power (bullet weight/velocity), you are likely limiting your ability to place follow-up shots quickly, or carrying something bigger and heavier than ideal.

For hunting, where you want to penetrate sufficiently to break the opposite shoulder, bigger is probably better.

If you just want something big, for no other purpose than wanting it, no problem with that.

JDM
12-21-2013, 02:36 PM
Here is my thinking on a defensive big bore handgun for use in the US. If it can reliably penetrate the skull of a brown bear from various angles, it is good to go.

What is the generally accepted minimum in this regard?

GJM
12-21-2013, 03:03 PM
What is the generally accepted minimum in this regard?

I think it is pretty well accepted that .44 magnum or .45 long colt, driving a 300 grain hard cast bullet at 1,050 fps or greater will get the job done. What is less certain is what 10mm or .40 with a penetrating bullet will do.

Malamute
12-21-2013, 03:47 PM
I've studied the matter over time, I'm fine with the 44 or 45 and heavy loads. I don't believe it requires 300's to work either, but they are a bit better.

I've shot several of Linebaughs big guns. He said I was one of the few people that turned around with a smile on my face after shooting the standard 500 the first time. I shot the 500 maximum and tore a ligament in my right thumb (and my hands weren't soft), which effectively ended shooting right handed for a couple years, even 22's. It took many years to be able to shoot heavier caliber guns again. I have zero interest in shooting the really big stuff again.

I scratch my head at those that get long heavy pistols in stupendous chamberings then complain about how they don't like to carry them much. A 4" 29 or 4 5/8" Ruger SA will do the job and with a decent rig aren't the least bit uncomfortable to wear all day, at least for me. I've carried the 1911 in town and felt much more annoyance at carrying it than the others mentioned above, but the type holsters were obviously different. Maybe I haven't found a town carry rig that really fits me, but I just don't really like carrying a 1911 much.

Tamara
12-21-2013, 04:08 PM
I scratch my head at those that get long heavy pistols in stupendous chamberings then complain about how they don't like to carry them much. A 4" 29 or 4 5/8" Ruger SA will do the job and with a decent rig aren't the least bit uncomfortable to wear all day, at least for me.

Although I haven't toted it around much yet, the round-butt re-release of the Model 21, even with the fruity gold logo on the sideplate, seems like an ideal carry package for an N-frame. I still have about a hundred rounds of the 255gr SWCs from Buffalo Bore to go with it, too...

1slow
12-21-2013, 06:50 PM
For me the 4" Bowen Redhawk .500 Linebaugh was as far as I wanted to go. 3 pounds, carried OK, shootable double or single action, very accurate, as fast on the draw as any 3 lb pistol for the 1st shot. 2nd shot is another matter. You could always download to 900-1000 fps, at that speed it is relatively mild.

GJM
12-21-2013, 07:31 PM
I thought I posted this earlier, but the response seemed to disappear.

In Alaska, I see a fair number of .500 class revolvers, in SA and DA variants, mostly on out of state visitors. There is a predictable pattern. On morning one, they are out with their .500, usually in a chest rig of some sort. By the afternoon of day one, they are tugging at the chest rig, trying to reposition it for comfort. By day two, the .500 is in the plane, or on the ATV, but no longer on their person. Not surprising as it weighs half as much as a guide gun or 870.

In the early 2000's, I saw a ton of Scandium 329 .44's on outdoorsy folks, but especially pilots. Lately, the four inch .44 seems to have frequently been supplanted by a Glock 10 or .40.

Chuck Haggard
12-21-2013, 07:42 PM
I can't help but think a purpose designed solid copper wadcutter, or Barnes DPX style bullet with a large hollow point but designed to not expand, would be a most excellent thing to have for such carry guns.

Malamute
12-21-2013, 07:54 PM
Although I haven't toted it around much yet, the round-butt re-release of the Model 21, even with the fruity gold logo on the sideplate, seems like an ideal carry package for an N-frame. I still have about a hundred rounds of the 255gr SWCs from Buffalo Bore to go with it, too...

I agree, it should be a good carry gun.

I've become somewhat enamored of an 80's Smith 24 in 4". I can feel the weight difference carrying it. I load the 250 gr Lyman bullet with either 6 1/2 grs Unique, or 17 grs 2400. Keith wrote that they seemed to shoot to the same point of impact so long as the bullet was the same weight, and that has been the case for me. The 17/2400 loads are a bit brisk, but not unmanageable. I still carry the 29 up on the mountain where the bears are thicker, but sure like how the 24 carries. I like the square butt much more than the mountain guns with the round butt. I had a 629 mountain when they first came out, but traded it off. Guess grips styles are personal. Most get by with the RB alright.

I've given some thought to the 10mm glock, but still have more confidence in what I can do with the 44 or 45's. I could like a 10 or 45 in the same length/height as the 19, but don't think it would dislodge the revos for mountain use.

Do we have any real life on the ground reports of how the 10 is doing on large animals?

Chuck Haggard
12-21-2013, 08:32 PM
Can't speak to the 10mm, but I know there was one case of a .45acp being used to stop a bear in Alaska a few years ago.

GJM
12-21-2013, 08:47 PM
About a year ago, Alaska Magazine had an update on a long running study of the use of firearms during bear attacks. Amazingly, handguns were a smidge more effective than long guns. The handguns included .357, 9mm and a number of cartridges you wouldn't consider bear stoppers.

Like people, apparently a lot of bears decide to go elsewhere when shot anywhere with anything. If you are willing to assume a body shot will do the job, almost anything should work. The worst case scenario, and what concerns me, is the determined bear that will attack until stopped with a CNS shot. With a handgun, that most likely means the upper CNS. Which brings you back to wanting a handgun/cartridge combination capable of penetrating a brown bear's skull to reach the brain at 10-15 yards, from a range of angles.

Heavy long gun cartridges like .45-70, .375 H&H and Brenneke 12 gauge slugs obviously give you more options to stop a charge, but the handgun maybe what you have at that moment.

Tamara
12-21-2013, 09:43 PM
I thought I posted this earlier, but the response seemed to disappear.

In Alaska, I see a fair number of .500 class revolvers, in SA and DA variants, mostly on out of state visitors. There is a predictable pattern. On morning one, they are out with their .500, usually in a chest rig of some sort. By the afternoon of day one, they are tugging at the chest rig, trying to reposition it for comfort. By day two, the .500 is in the plane, or on the ATV, but no longer on their person. Not surprising as it weighs half as much as a guide gun or 870.

In the early 2000's, I saw a ton of Scandium 329 .44's on outdoorsy folks, but especially pilots. Lately, the four inch .44 seems to have frequently been supplanted by a Glock 10 or .40.

I've never had a problem wandering around the woods with a 3"-4" steel N-frame, but that's in November-December in the lower 48, not February in Alaska.

Malamute
12-21-2013, 11:04 PM
I'd heard about the 45 auto being used, though we don't have any details that I've heard of, like what load, where the bullets hit and what they did to the bear.


The point about the heavy rifle bullets and quality penetrating shotgun slugs is well made, the part about giving more options in particular. The range of angles being a worthwhile consideration. In defensive aspects regarding people, we have info about "X number of inches is considered optimal". In larger critters, I'm of the mindset that I'd prefer the bullet to stop sometime next week, and shooting through a couple trees and a half acre of dirt after going through the critter from any angle. That's a slight exaggeration, but I have heard of a hip being broken after shooting through the body. I doubt it was what they were intending, but I'm sure they were willing to take it at the moment. Very deep penetration buys that possibility. We have a pretty good idea what works in that regard, I'm curious how the 10 will show with good solids after being used on a number of animals and autopsied afterwards as to bones broken and how deep the bullets went etc. If it consistently shoots through elk and black bears sideways and breaks shoulders on the opposite side, its off to a good start. I just haven't heard anything specific so far. We're still looking at 38-40 to 44-40 black powder rifle power levels with the 10mm, but with better bullets as regards shape and hardness.

Mr Linebaugh has corresponded with a number of people that have shot bears and other large critters with various guns/loads and has some interesting information. It seems to be in line with most of the other info available as regards large heavyish bullets at moderate velocities seem to shoot deep. Lighter stuff does work in many instances, but I don't think they offer the margin for error and consistency that heavier loads do on large animals.

Dave Williams
12-22-2013, 12:01 PM
Very interesting thread. I used to be really into big bore sixguns, and just going to singleactions.com forum for awhile can make me think I need one!

Over the years I bought a .41 Magnum Bisley, with the sole intention of having John Linebaugh convert it into a tight .45 Colt. I also owned a Smith 24-3 4" I used to carry AIWB in a Sparks Summer Specia loaded with Triton 165gr ammol. Also owned a sweet Magnaported 329PD with custom Sam Andrews shark skin holsters! The 329PD is pure torture to shoot!

I had a bad 500 Smith jones for awhile reading John Ross' articles, he really did some amazing stuff with the 500.

When Cor-Bon's Mike Shovel came to my PD for an ammo test, he shot the .460 Magnum, and he shot the load that goes 2300fps, and the gel block literally flew off the table, it was like "holy shit!" lol

Tamara
12-22-2013, 12:33 PM
This seems as good a place as any to mention I once had a 10mm Vaquero. You know, just because. :D

Nephrology
12-22-2013, 07:51 PM
This seems as good a place as any to mention I once had a 10mm Vaquero. You know, just because. :D

If this was anyone else, I'd literally think you just made that gun up.

GJM
12-22-2013, 09:12 PM
Along with another guy with connections to Smith, we were pushing hard for a K frame 10mm, instead of the N frame. Thought it would be a nifty revolver for an outdoorsy person, but unfortunately no joy.

Greg Perry
12-23-2013, 12:01 AM
Late joining in, but I'll play, notwithstanding my low-quality pic:
http://i681.photobucket.com/albums/vv171/gperry59/photo_zps366b45ee.jpg (http://s681.photobucket.com/user/gperry59/media/photo_zps366b45ee.jpg.html)

S&W 29-2 (1975) with Herrett Roper stocks and Sparks holster, inspired by Elmer Keith and Ross Seyfried stories in Guns & Ammo, early 1980's. If I could only have one gun, this would be the one. (Smear on top strap is residue from cast bullet lube; it thrives on homemade bullets and actually has never fired a factory round.)

Tamara
12-23-2013, 12:41 AM
Along with another guy with connections to Smith, we were pushing hard for a K frame 10mm, instead of the N frame. Thought it would be a nifty revolver for an outdoorsy person, but unfortunately no joy.

6-shot .40/10mm L-frame size cylinder apparently needs to be made in Ti, because of the thinness of the cylinder walls? Or so I've heard; hence the choice of cylinder materials in the 646.

Light the 1911guy signal.

Tamara
12-23-2013, 12:47 AM
If this was anyone else, I'd literally think you just made that gun up.

Ruger did a run of 7.5" dual-cylinder Vaqueros with .38-40 and .40S&W cylinders back in '01. I ordered one to the shop I was working at at the time. The gun arrived with the .38-40 cylinder in it* and the .40 cylinder in bubble wrap in the case. I took the .40 cylinder out of the box and handed it to Shannon to get it reamed to 10mm before it even came out of the bubble wrap. We called it the "Space Cowboy". I thought about having that engraved on the gun.

*The fired case in the envelope was also a .38-40. Because Roscoe T. Gangbanger was going to use the .38-40 cylinder instead of the .40 for his drive-bys, and would conveniently thumb a few shells out the loading gate for the cops to use as evidence.

Little Creek
12-24-2013, 07:27 AM
I have an L frame 40 S&W 4" (M646) with a titanium cylinder. The guy from moonclips.com has offered to bore it out to 10MM.

Tamara
12-24-2013, 09:41 AM
I have an L frame 40 S&W 4" (M646) with a titanium cylinder. The guy from moonclips.com has offered to bore it out to 10MM.

Yeah, we reamed one for 10mm when I was working at Randy's. I dunno how I feel about that, but Ti cylinders are kinda voodoo to me.

NEPAKevin
01-21-2014, 02:28 PM
S&W Backpack Cannon (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/01/20/check-out-smith-wessons-new-beast-of-a-revolver-the-backpack-cannon/)

TR675
01-21-2014, 02:32 PM
Re: the Backpack Cannon. I like the line at the end of the article: "It will reportedly be marketed to civilians and law enforcement."

My God, what law enforcement agency is this being marketed to? As a BUG for the Jellystone Park Rangers?

"HEY YO-GI! THE CAVE IS SURROUNDED! YOU COME ON OUT WITH THAT PICKANICK BASKET AND YOUR CLAWS UP!"

jetfire
01-21-2014, 02:38 PM
IIRC, there are a couple of shops that will convert a GP100 to a 5-shot .44 Special. That would be pretty rad, and now that I have an extra GP100 laying around...

NEPAKevin
01-21-2014, 02:53 PM
My God, what law enforcement agency is this being marketed to?


http://youtu.be/d4aGxG-SBSE

SamAdams
01-21-2014, 04:51 PM
Although I haven't toted it around much yet, the round-butt re-release of the Model 21, even with the fruity gold logo on the sideplate, seems like an ideal carry package for an N-frame. I still have about a hundred rounds of the 255gr SWCs from Buffalo Bore to go with it, too...

I found M 21 44 Special wheel guns in blue and in nickel (both without the logo on them). Also picked up a 22 nickel in 45ACP (square butt). Great handling wheel guns. Bought them over a period of maybe 8 months or so in 2012 before the 'Great Gun Buying Panic' . . . thankfully. 255gr Keiths at around 1000 fps are good medicine in the 21s and in the 45 Colt Mountain Gun. :)

Fartrell Cluggins
02-05-2014, 01:03 PM
http://i1301.photobucket.com/albums/ag112/bohenja/IMG_1079_zps51015067.jpg

Bowen tuned Ruger. 44 and a Smith Model 24-3. I have a Milt Sparks on order for the Smith.

dbriannelson
06-03-2014, 02:40 PM
https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfa1/t1.0-9/1606854_10152173762811964_7534631287429400200_n.jp g

Let's see how this works then.

I'm old and have a long list of field revolvers, but lately it's been the 3 1/2" FA97 in .45 Colt (or a Dan Wesson RZ-10). The other revolver is a now-retired 3 5/8" Forkin Custom Old Model in .44 Special.

Nothing in the Black Hills requires the power of the .45 Colt "Ruger Only" loads, but bigger holes, heavier bullets and higher velocities are always good as long as they don't also mean more weight. Lots of walking and little or no shooting call for small and handy.

Holsters are robust but designed for concealed carry both for national park use and because I leave the handgun on in town and think open carry is impolite. The black one on the Forkin is home-made and the brown one for the FA is an El Paso Saddlery "Double Agent," a design I've used for many carry guns over the years. There's a new Barranti "Hank Sloan" model standing by that I'll be using with a coat next winter.

Don

Tamara
06-03-2014, 03:49 PM
We don't get many bears out this way, so this is probably my favorite ramblin' gun:

http://i.imgur.com/ZWSyVda.jpg

Irelander
06-04-2014, 01:20 PM
My only revolver at the moment is a 629-6 5" Classic. I will forever love this gun however I do have a hankering to have the barrel shortened to 4" by SDM (http://www.sdmfabricating.com/4_conversion.html) for better handling and packing ability.
I've been looking for a good chest carry holster for it and found the Diamond D Guides Choice (http://www.diamonddcustomleather.com/Chest_Holsters.php). Looks like a great holster for the backcountry.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/47624012/My%20629%20Classic_003%20%281024x681%29.jpg
My 629 Classic 5"

This is what it would look like with a 4" barrel.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/47624012/My%20629%20Classic_003%204in.jpg

GJM
06-04-2014, 02:15 PM
My only revolver at the moment is a 629-6 5" Classic. I will forever love this gun however I do have a hankering to have the barrel shortened to 4" by SDM (http://www.sdmfabricating.com/4_conversion.html) for better handling and packing ability.
I've been looking for a good chest carry holster for it and found the Diamond D Guides Choice (http://www.diamonddcustomleather.com/Chest_Holsters.php). Looks like a great holster for the backcountry.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/47624012/My%20629%20Classic_003%20%281024x681%29.jpg

I have that holster and it is pretty good. If you carry a heavy pack, the rear straps dig into my back enough to make it a no go with the big pack hunting.
My 629 Classic 5"

This is what it would look like with a 4" barrel.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/47624012/My%20629%20Classic_003%204in.jpg

JHC
06-04-2014, 07:21 PM
We don't get many bears out this way, so this is probably my favorite ramblin' gun:

http://i.imgur.com/ZWSyVda.jpg

Glorious! That's an old one (the hammer?)

Tamara
06-04-2014, 09:37 PM
It's a mid-'50s K-22. I was making a silly joke about the necessity of a big-bore woods gun in Indiana. ;)

(...although it really is my favorite ramblin' gun. Any dirt clod or soda can that attacks me is in for a rough time of it! :D )

GJM
06-04-2014, 09:49 PM
My earlier post didn't make it, but I was trying to say that the leather rigging on the back of the Diamond D chest rig was a no go for my back with a heavy pack. The straps bunched up and made a wicked hot spot with any load in the pack.

cigardad
06-05-2014, 10:08 AM
My "woods gun". Karl Sokol built this for me several years ago. Started with an S serial numbered Mod 58 and rebored a Mod 520 barrel he had on hand. Rechambered in .45 Colt. Sights are regulated for 255 gr lead and is pretty fun with Buffalo Bore 255 gr HC.

http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb192/cigardad/_DSC0635.jpg

Tamara
06-05-2014, 10:17 AM
Oof.

I'll be in my bunk.

Malamute
06-05-2014, 11:03 AM
My "woods gun". Karl Sokol built this for me several years ago. Started with an S serial numbered Mod 58 and rebored a Mod 520 barrel he had on hand. Rechambered in .45 Colt. Sights are regulated for 255 gr lead and is pretty fun with Buffalo Bore 255 gr HC.




Very nice!

TR675
06-05-2014, 11:59 AM
My "woods gun". Karl Sokol built this for me several years ago. Started with an S serial numbered Mod 58 and rebored a Mod 520 barrel he had on hand. Rechambered in .45 Colt. Sights are regulated for 255 gr lead and is pretty fun with Buffalo Bore 255 gr HC.

How cool is that. I love the lines on that gun.

Irelander
06-05-2014, 03:57 PM
My earlier post didn't make it, but I was trying to say that the leather rigging on the back of the Diamond D chest rig was a no go for my back with a heavy pack. The straps bunched up and made a wicked hot spot with any load in the pack.

Thanks for the heads up. Is there another chest holster that you like better than the Diamond D? Only other one I know of is the HPG Kit Bag. Probably going to get one of those anyway so maybe that is the solution.

GJM
06-05-2014, 04:20 PM
Thanks for the heads up. Is there another chest holster that you like better than the Diamond D? Only other one I know of is the HPG Kit Bag. Probably going to get one of those anyway so maybe that is the solution.

I really like the shoulder and chest rigs made by Survival Sheath Systems, but they are hit or miss as to whether you actually get a product delivered.

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg251/GJMandes/SS.jpg (http://s250.photobucket.com/user/GJMandes/media/SS.jpg.html)

tomr
06-08-2014, 07:58 PM
Noticed the little pin for the frame mounted firing pin. That would then be a K22 combat masterpiece - pre model 18? Have I got that right?

Tamara
06-09-2014, 07:59 AM
Noticed the little pin for the frame mounted firing pin. That would then be a K22 combat masterpiece - pre model 18? Have I got that right?

Yup.

LSP972
06-09-2014, 11:37 AM
We don't get many bears out this way, so this is probably my favorite ramblin' gun:

http://i.imgur.com/ZWSyVda.jpg

Are those by-God Ropers... REAL Ropers???

.

Tamara
06-09-2014, 01:41 PM
Are those by-God Ropers... REAL Ropers???

.

Spegels, actually. They're some mighty fine stocks.

LSP972
06-09-2014, 02:02 PM
Spegels, actually. They're some mighty fine stocks.

Fooled me. I figured either later Ropers or early Hurst.

I have two pair of later Hursts.

.

Irelander
06-24-2014, 11:07 AM
I really like the shoulder and chest rigs made by Survival Sheath Systems, but they are hit or miss as to whether you actually get a product delivered.

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg251/GJMandes/SS.jpg (http://s250.photobucket.com/user/GJMandes/media/SS.jpg.html)

I just picked up a Hill People Gear Kit Bag. Man is it the answer for CCW with a backpack on or even just trail running! Worth every penny.

Dave T
06-27-2014, 01:40 PM
My desert walking gun is generally what I carry concealed as I am far more worried about 2-legged vermin than anything on 4 feet or on its belly. The 45 ACP cartridge does as well as anything (and better than quite a few) in that regard so if I were inclined to switch my carry gun for an on the belt revolver it would be this:

http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww224/desertarcher/SW%20N%20Frames/IMG_0241.jpg (http://s722.photobucket.com/user/desertarcher/media/SW%20N%20Frames/IMG_0241.jpg.html)

I liked the Mountain Gun concept but wanted a 45 ACP in blued steel, something S&W never offered. Found a M25-2 for sale that had a 6.5" Model 50, tapered 45 barrel installed. Sent it to my gun smith friend and had the barrel shortened to 4", then the action was done and the frame round butted (I prefer them round, particularly with the older Factory Combat stocks). Then since the MGs are all mat finished I had my smith fine bead blast the whole thing before bluing. Probably my favorite revolver of all time.

If heavier bullets (than 230g) were called for I would resort to this:

http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww224/desertarcher/SW%20N%20Frames/2009_1226AH.jpg (http://s722.photobucket.com/user/desertarcher/media/SW%20N%20Frames/2009_1226AH.jpg.html)

That's a 4th Model Hand Ejector Target 44 that the original owner cut down from a 6.5" to a poorly done 3-3/8" barrel with a home-made front sight. The same gun smith as above installed a cut down M24 barrel, then since the old and newer finishes didn't come close to matching he fine bead blasted the whole thing and blued. Trigger and action work was done along the way including the sight insert which I can see much better than the factory red one.

Dave

Drang
06-27-2014, 09:06 PM
... I'll be in my bunk...

Dagga Boy
06-28-2014, 12:17 PM
Nice stuff Dave, particularly the bottom gun. I love rescue's. Nothing in the gun world (in my world) is better than taking something messed up, ruined, or worn out and making a solid working gun out of it. Nice work. Can I ask who your Smith is?

Dave T
06-28-2014, 06:10 PM
Can I ask who your Smith is?

He's semi-retired and trying to wind things down (or maybe it's up?) so I'm not comfortable passing on his contact info. He does, and always has done good work, so I had to argue to get him to do one more custom for me that in the works now. I fear that's going to be it. Fortunately I'm getting old and have enough custom revolvers to last me till I can't shoot any more.

Here's one he did last year:

http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww224/desertarcher/SW%20L%20Frames/DSCF0650.jpg (http://s722.photobucket.com/user/desertarcher/media/SW%20L%20Frames/DSCF0650.jpg.html)

http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww224/desertarcher/SW%20L%20Frames/DSCF0678.jpg (http://s722.photobucket.com/user/desertarcher/media/SW%20L%20Frames/DSCF0678.jpg.html)

Always liked the idea of the 3" RB K-frame but wished they did it for the L-frame to handle Magnum loads. Finally found a 681 candidate for modification and my friend built this for me as a carry gun.

Dave

Chuck Haggard
06-28-2014, 08:24 PM
He's semi-retired and trying to wind things down (or maybe it's up?) so I'm not comfortable passing on his contact info. He does, and always has done good work, so I had to argue to get him to do one more custom for me that in the works now. I fear that's going to be it. Fortunately I'm getting old and have enough custom revolvers to last me till I can't shoot any more.

Here's one he did last year:

http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww224/desertarcher/SW%20L%20Frames/DSCF0650.jpg (http://s722.photobucket.com/user/desertarcher/media/SW%20L%20Frames/DSCF0650.jpg.html)

http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww224/desertarcher/SW%20L%20Frames/DSCF0678.jpg (http://s722.photobucket.com/user/desertarcher/media/SW%20L%20Frames/DSCF0678.jpg.html)

Always liked the idea of the 3" RB K-frame but wished they did it for the L-frame to handle Magnum loads. Finally found a 681 candidate for modification and my friend built this for me as a carry gun.

Dave

I hate you.

Jack Ryan
06-28-2014, 08:47 PM
Any of these were my main woods gun at one time or another before falling to the lure of something different. Most times it falls to the 629 4" barrel now.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v521/JackPatrickRyan/Gun%20Gallery/aSixGuns99.jpg

Dave T
06-28-2014, 10:16 PM
Chuck,

Was it something I said? (smile)

Dave

eb07
07-15-2014, 01:25 PM
Here are mine. One for the outdoors, one for concealed carry.

http://s27.postimg.org/cughhu9kj/IMG_4005_2.jpg

http://s2.postimg.org/xhr0np2ux/IMG_3684.jpg

GJM
07-15-2014, 10:59 PM
Someone up the peninsula from here killed a 9 foot brown bear trying to get into his house at night. With a .45!

http://www.adn.com/article/20140715/sterling-man-kills-9-foot-grizzly-trying-break-his-home

JAD
07-16-2014, 06:00 AM
They all fall to hardball. Seven rounds fired, sounds like it was in condition 3. Glad it worked out for him.

LSP972
07-16-2014, 08:53 AM
Did anyone read the comments??? The kid involved responded, and stated that his dad did the deed with a Hi-Point!!!

So many possibilities here…:D

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Jeep
07-16-2014, 10:19 AM
Someone up the peninsula from here killed a 9 foot brown bear trying to get into his house at night. With a .45!

http://www.adn.com/article/20140715/sterling-man-kills-9-foot-grizzly-trying-break-his-home

Does this maybe get you to rethink whether you want buckshot or slugs in your HD shotgun? Frankly, this whole bear-attacking-the-house thing reminds me that while Alaska is a nice place to visit, I'm not really sure I want to spend a lot of quality time there when the bears are out.

Jeep
07-16-2014, 10:22 AM
Did anyone read the comments??? The kid involved responded, and stated that his dad did the deed with a Hi-Point!!!

So many possibilities here…:D

.

Maybe that's why the bear was so cocky? He figured "hey, they only have a Hi-Point! What do I have to be concerned about?"

Now the real question. Would a 9mm Hi-Point worked as well, given it carries only 10 rounds, if you can fit them all in the mag?

Malamute
07-16-2014, 11:42 AM
It also said in the comments that he only hit it once. From the description its likely good he wasn't in reach of the bear when it was hit.

This is one of many instances I've heard of when someone had to go out to their vehicle to get a weapon. It never ceases to amaze me, especially in bear country.

LSP972
07-16-2014, 12:49 PM
Now the real question. Would a 9mm Hi-Point worked as well, given it carries only 10 rounds, if you can fit them all in the mag?

The REAL question is, can you get ANY rounds in a Hi-Point C9 magazine without slicing your thumb open???

Just another feature of this excellent, economical pistol; when you run out of burrets, you can use the magazine lips as an edged weapon.

.

GJM
07-16-2014, 01:32 PM
Does this maybe get you to rethink whether you want buckshot or slugs in your HD shotgun? Frankly, this whole bear-attacking-the-house thing reminds me that while Alaska is a nice place to visit, I'm not really sure I want to spend a lot of quality time there when the bears are out.

At our house and cabin we have a dedicated HD long gun sitting just inside the door. It is for bears not people and is a .45-70, 12 gauge with Brenneke slugs or .375 H&H.

Bears make Alaska a great place. Nothing like something vying with you for top of the food chain to keep you minding your P's and Q's!

HCM
07-16-2014, 05:43 PM
Did anyone read the comments??? The kid involved responded, and stated that his dad did the deed with a Hi-Point!!!

So many possibilities here…:D

.

Like the bear was just starting to turn his life around ?:p

SteveB
07-17-2014, 06:29 AM
I've let more big bore wheel guns get away than I'd like, but I still occasionally carry this one: S&W 296, ugly as sin, but real useful. Titanium, Hamilton Bowen sights, cut for moon clips, CTC laser, excellent trigger. Shoots 200 grain GoldDots into clusters, surprisingly not all that painful to shoot:

2465

LSP972
07-18-2014, 07:08 AM
I've let more big bore wheel guns get away than I'd like, but I still occasionally carry this one: S&W 296, ugly as sin, but real useful. Titanium, Hamilton Bowen sights, cut for moon clips, CTC laser, excellent trigger. Shoots 200 grain GoldDots into clusters, surprisingly not all that painful to shoot:

2465

I've got the .38 Spl version (242) of that, sans the CT stocks.

What do you carry it in?

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JAD
07-19-2014, 06:33 AM
: S&W 296,

Great gun, always wanted one, and with the bowens and laser I now specifically want yours.

jetfire
07-19-2014, 02:15 PM
I've let more big bore wheel guns get away than I'd like, but I still occasionally carry this one: S&W 296, ugly as sin, but real useful. Titanium, Hamilton Bowen sights, cut for moon clips, CTC laser, excellent trigger. Shoots 200 grain GoldDots into clusters, surprisingly not all that painful to shoot:

2465

What kind of CTC grip is that? It looks like a j-frame grip, but I thought the 296 was an L-frame.

Edmo
07-22-2014, 07:27 AM
Here is one of mine...

S&W Mountain Gun in 44 Magnum. It was dubbed the "Flinch Master" by a friend after he shot a cylinder of full power loads.

Edmo

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l223/Edmo_03/gun%20stuff/image_zpsc75fd23f.jpg

Alpha Sierra
07-22-2014, 07:42 AM
Here is one of mine...

S&W Mountain Gun in 44 Magnum. It was dubbed the "Flinch Master" by a friend after he shot a cylinder of full power loads.

Edmo

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l223/Edmo_03/gun%20stuff/image_zpsc75fd23f.jpg

I concur with your friend's description. Mine was a pleasure with specials, not so much with magnums.

Malamute
07-22-2014, 09:49 AM
Here is one of mine...

S&W Mountain Gun in 44 Magnum. It was dubbed the "Flinch Master" by a friend after he shot a cylinder of full power loads.

Edmo

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l223/Edmo_03/gun%20stuff/image_zpsc75fd23f.jpg


I had one of the earlier Mountain guns. I concluded the extra recoil wasn't worth the lighter weight compared to a standard 29 and sold the mountain gun. I also decided I really didn't like the round butt.

Probably the most fun gun buy ever for me. After doing the paperwork, the store owner took it with me to the grocery conveyor (yes, it was a grocery store that sold guns) and the girl rang it up. I still have the receipt that says "gun" and the price on an old style skinny IGA grocery register receipt.

GJM
07-22-2014, 10:00 AM
if the mountain gun is the "flinch master," what do you call a Scandium 329?

Dave Williams
07-22-2014, 12:39 PM
if the mountain gun is the "flinch master," what do you call a Scandium 329?::

Cool as hell. Or torture device. Depends :D

Jeep
07-22-2014, 08:37 PM
if the mountain gun is the "flinch master," what do you call a Scandium 329?

Perhaps the "pain master?"

SteveB
07-23-2014, 05:47 AM
What kind of CTC grip is that? It looks like a j-frame grip, but I thought the 296 was an L-frame.

It is an L-frame. Crimson Trace LG-306.

SteveB
07-23-2014, 05:50 AM
I've got the .38 Spl version (242) of that, sans the CT stocks.

What do you carry it in?

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Winter carry; in the coat pocket in a milk jug holster.

Jeep
07-23-2014, 12:57 PM
The REAL question is, can you get ANY rounds in a Hi-Point C9 magazine without slicing your thumb open???

Just another feature of this excellent, economical pistol; when you run out of burrets, you can use the magazine lips as an edged weapon.

.

Isn't that the truth? Those are amazingly dangerous magazines.

LSP972
07-24-2014, 04:46 AM
... a milk jug holster.

Okay, I give up… what's a milk jug holster?

(I have this uneasy feeling that I'm going to feel stupid when I read the answer to that question.)

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JAD
07-24-2014, 06:12 AM
It's a homemade holster heat formed out of milk jug material.

GJM
07-24-2014, 08:48 AM
It's a homemade holster heat formed out of milk jug material.

here is one SteveB made for me 10 or 15 years ago, and still going strong:

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg251/GJMandes/milkcrate_zps5cad0450.jpg (http://s250.photobucket.com/user/GJMandes/media/milkcrate_zps5cad0450.jpg.html)

Chuck Haggard
07-24-2014, 09:12 AM
It's a homemade holster heat formed out of milk jug material.

Claude likes to sport those, especially for his Jennings .22s

LSP972
07-24-2014, 02:08 PM
It's a homemade holster heat formed out of milk jug material.

Ah... redneck kydex.

Got it...:D

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SteveB
07-25-2014, 09:48 AM
Ah... redneck kydex.

Got it...:D

.

Actually, no heat forming necessary. Cut a rough form out of a plastic gallon milk or water jug; trim to your liking on the gun. Double row of staples up the back; reinforce with duct tape. Very light, obscures gun shape in pocket, holds gun in correct position, stays in pocket with draw. And cheap.

Edmo
07-28-2014, 04:44 PM
I already posted a picture of my 629, so here is my "Big Bore" 642-1 38 Special snubbie...

Edmo

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l223/Edmo_03/gun%20stuff/imagejpg1_zps8b43deca.jpg

theJanitor
07-28-2014, 04:55 PM
I'm ashamed to admit that the most powerful pistol I own is a 10mm auto. Entry fee into this category of big bore pistol is shockingly high

TR675
07-28-2014, 05:00 PM
My current grail gun is the Ruger/Bowen Classic Arms GP-44.

2482

I don't know why I want one when .40 cal. hurts to shoot (complications from a broken wrist years ago), but I want one nonetheless.

45dotACP
07-29-2014, 08:30 PM
My current grail gun is the Ruger/Bowen Classic Arms GP-44.

2482

I don't know why I want one when .40 cal. hurts to shoot (complications from a broken wrist years ago), but I want one nonetheless.
Dat Bowen revolver!

NETim
08-13-2014, 09:23 PM
Smith 69? 5 shot L-frame? Big bore carry?

http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_827559_-1_757767_757751_757751_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y

Chuck Haggard
09-18-2014, 10:24 PM
So this happened a few days ago, rather unexpectedly;

2596

SeriousStudent
09-18-2014, 10:43 PM
So this happened a few days ago, rather unexpectedly;

2596

Very nice! May I ask what caliber? My eyes are not good enough to pick up the details.

May it bring you good luck.

Chuck Haggard
09-18-2014, 10:46 PM
Model 28, .357mag, purchased in 1970 by the original owner and kept in a pistol rug pretty much ever since, and appears to have six total rounds through the gun. Seriously.

1slow
09-18-2014, 11:12 PM
When I was 12 (1969) my dad bought a 6" S&W 28. I shot that gun a lot and have always liked them.

SeriousStudent
09-18-2014, 11:35 PM
Model 28, .357mag, purchased in 1970 by the original owner and kept in a pistol rug pretty much ever since, and appears to have six total rounds through the gun. Seriously.

Very cool, that is an excellent snag.

LSP552
09-18-2014, 11:57 PM
Model 28, .357mag, purchased in 1970 by the original owner and kept in a pistol rug pretty much ever since, and appears to have six total rounds through the gun. Seriously.

I hope you bought a lottery ticket at the same time! Great score.

SWAT Lt.
09-19-2014, 06:23 AM
Model 28, .357mag, purchased in 1970 by the original owner and kept in a pistol rug pretty much ever since, and appears to have six total rounds through the gun. Seriously.

Very, very nice! I had one just like it, it was my first revolver. I was 16 and saved money from working my job at a grocery store to buy it (Dad bought it for me-$175.00). Bought it NIB then added S&W Target grips, a red ramp, white outline and, yes, a trigger shoe (it was the 70s after all) which was soon removed. Can't say how many rounds went through that 28. It is one of the few guns I've regretted trading. Enjoy!

GJM
09-19-2014, 10:07 AM
I have a 327 and 627, and they shoot great. For lower 48 use, a 27/28 has a lot going for it, compared to a 29/629.

Malamute
09-19-2014, 10:24 AM
I have a 327 and 627, and they shoot great. For lower 48 use, a 27/28 has a lot going for it, compared to a 29/629.

I agree, for most of the lower 48. Some areas maybe not so much. I confess to carrying lighter guns around the yard sometimes (even though bears have been in the yard and neighborhood), but out in the hills, its always a 44 or 45 with heavy loads. I'm curious about the rest of the story, it sounds like the guy may have been eaten as well, but they aren't saying. Some of the other recent deaths the bears ate the person.

http://wyofile.com/angus_thuermer/bear-bite-probably-killed-man-species-may-remains/

Edmo
10-04-2014, 02:42 AM
Another pic of the "Flinchmaster" with different stocks (AKA grips)...

Edmo

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l223/Edmo_03/gun%20stuff/imagejpg1_zpsa0ad1a03.jpg

Toonces
10-08-2014, 09:51 AM
Here is my thinking on a defensive big bore handgun for use in the US. If it can reliably penetrate the skull of a brown bear from various angles, it is good to go. If you have something that is substantially greater in power (bullet weight/velocity), you are likely limiting your ability to place follow-up shots quickly, or carrying something bigger and heavier than ideal.

For hunting, where you want to penetrate sufficiently to break the opposite shoulder, bigger is probably better.

If you just want something big, for no other purpose than wanting it, no problem with that.


GJM: Given your primary criteria for penetration of a skull, would a .357 with a 158 gr hard cast or FMJ FN work? For me, it would certainly be easier to carry and shoot a K/L frame than an N frame. To me, your line of reasoning on a defense (not hunting) sidearm makes sense. An accurate shot from a .357 would probably be a lot more effective than a poor one from a .44. I'm just curious, I don't live in an area where I need to worry about irritated bears.



Another pic of the "Flinchmaster" with different stocks (AKA grips)...

Edmo

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l223/Edmo_03/gun%20stuff/imagejpg1_zpsa0ad1a03.jpg

My friend has a similar gun, a 3" 629 Lew Horton special. I tried it with some full power 240 gr PMC. I had enough after three rounds. That was the first time in my life I've ever removed live ammo from a nice revolver. When I got home I removed the 329PD from my wish list. I'd wanted one for years and now I'm glad I never bought one. I don't know the exact numbers, but a 329PD is probably 10-12 ounces lighter than a 3" 629. No thanks!

GJM
10-08-2014, 11:07 AM
I think a .357 with hard cast would be a good choice. If I was carrying a revolver, it would be 329, as I have a few and would be shooting it in circumstances that recoil would be a secondary consideration.

MikeFletcher
10-11-2014, 08:22 PM
Smith 69? 5 shot L-frame? Big bore carry?

http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_827559_-1_757767_757751_757751_ProductDisplayErrorView_YP

I have been messing around with a S&W Model 69 for the last two months.
Mostly I like it.
Factory grips suck and were replaced with Hogue Rubber non finger groove grips.
Rear sight was opened up to ~.150" removing the white outline and making the front sight easier to see.
The HKS speed loader for the Charter Arms .44 Bulldog works fine with the hogue grips installed, but will not work with the S&W factory grips.
I have fired 250 rounds of Buffalo Bore 255 gr Keith @ 1250 fps through this revolver and it is way more pleasant to shoot than the S&W 329 and to me it is better balanced than the N frame guns. And I don't see 5 round capacity as a handicap, I have trouble with the 6 shot of 44 magnum rapid fire double action anyway, pausing to reload after 5 shots give me a break.

GJM
10-11-2014, 08:56 PM
Greetings, Mike! I hear really good things about this revolver. Bill Wilson confirms it works great on hogs.

While I think 5 cartridges is fine For hunting, I believe 6 rounds is too few for a bear defense handgun, and 5 is just a personal deal breaker for me regardless of how good it shoots.

MikeFletcher
10-11-2014, 09:27 PM
Hi George,
I agree with 5 not good enough for big bears. We don't have too many of those here in Oklahoma.
If I was in big bear country I'd probably go with the 10mm Glock.

eb07
10-12-2014, 02:59 PM
10mm is fine for black bear. But it is not adequate for grizzly.

GJM
10-12-2014, 07:03 PM
10mm is fine for black bear. But it is not adequate for grizzly.

Would appreciate it if you would elaborate with your reasoning and experience on this topic.

JHC
10-12-2014, 07:51 PM
Greetings, Mike! I hear really good things about this revolver. Bill Wilson confirms it works great on hogs.

While I think 5 cartridges is fine For hunting, I believe 6 rounds is too few for a bear defense handgun, and 5 is just a personal deal breaker for me regardless of how good it shoots.

It takes awhile to unload a 6 round cylinder of .44 full house loads into say a 4x6 card at 10 yards. You feel strongly capacity is the issue if someone goes the magnum handgun route? I get the 10 or .40 argument. I think those are a pretty smart play. But if you want the big smack of magnum six gun . . . it's a sixgun or I guess, 5 gun.

GJM
10-12-2014, 08:16 PM
Based on enough bear encounters to make an impression on me, possibly the most effective handgun cartridge that exists, is the round fired in the dirt in front of an approaching bear, that causes them to turn and leave you alone. Unfortunately in some percentage of cases, that shot has the opposite effect and prompts an immediate charge. Starting with five cartridges, I wouldn't feel keen on firing a warning shot.

Interestingly, in two instances I recall, a warning shot turned three bears -- a sow and two "cubs."

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg251/GJMandes/3bears.jpg (http://s250.photobucket.com/user/GJMandes/media/3bears.jpg.html)

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg251/GJMandes/3bearsgone.jpg (http://s250.photobucket.com/user/GJMandes/media/3bearsgone.jpg.html)

eb07
10-12-2014, 08:21 PM
Would appreciate it if you would elaborate with your reasoning and experience on this topic.

No offense but if I have to justify why 10mm is inadequate for a grizzly then I think you need to do more research on the subject yourself. Ballistics 101

1000 + lbs worth of anger willing to fight to the death coming down on you? I'll take 12 gauge slugs. You can have your 10mm.

Black bear? Yes. Adequate. They tend to run when shot. I ran one off with a glock 17.

When I lived in griz country you wouldn't see me out without my 12 in my eberlestock and my 44 on my chest as my last ditch handgun.

JHC
10-12-2014, 08:26 PM
No offense but if I have to justify why 10mm is inadequate for a grizzly then I think you need to do more research on the subject yourself. Ballistics 101

1000 + lbs worth of anger willing to fight to the death coming down on you? I'll take 12 gauge slugs. You can have your 10mm.

Black bear? Yes. Adequate. They tend to run when shot. I ran one off with a glock 17.

When I lived in griz country you wouldn't see me out without my 12 in my eberlestock and my 44 on my chest as my last ditch handgun.

Research has been done. You don't need a .44 to pop a brain pan. Which is about one's best play with a pistol at less than 15 yards and coming fast.

GJM
10-12-2014, 08:27 PM
No offense but if I have to justify why 10mm is inadequate for a grizzly then I think you need to do more research on the subject yourself. Ballistics 101

1000 + lbs worth of anger willing to fight to the death coming down on you? I'll take 12 gauge slugs. You can have your 10mm.

Black bear? Yes. Adequate. They tend to run when shot. I ran one off with a glock 17.

When I lived in griz country you wouldn't see me out without my 12 in my eberlestock and my 44 on my chest as my last ditch handgun.

You might want to review this:

http://www.arcticwild.com/blog/effic...-in-Alaska.pdf

ABSTRACT We compiled, summarized, and reviewed 269 incidents of bear–human conflict involving firearms that occurred in Alaska during 1883–2009. Encounters involving brown bears (Ursus arctos; 218 incidents, 81%), black bears (Ursus americanus; 30 incidents, 11%), polar bears (Ursus maritimus; 6 incidents, 2%), and 15 (6%) unidentified species provided insight into firearms success and failure. A total of 444 people and at least 367 bears were involved in these incidents. We found no significant difference in success rates (i.e., success being when the bear was stopped in its aggressive behavior) associated with long guns (76%) and handguns (84%). Moreover, firearm bearers suffered the same injury rates in close encounters with bears whether they used their firearms or not. Bears were killed in 61% (n 1⁄4 162) of bear–firearms incidents. Additionally, we identified multiple reasons for firearms failing to stop an aggressive bear. Using logistic regression, the best model for predicting a successful outcome for firearm users included species and cohort of bear, human activity at time of encounter, whether or not the bear charged, and if fish or game meat was present. Firearm variables (e.g., type of gun, number of shots) were not useful in predicting outcomes in bear–firearms incidents. Although firearms have failed to protect some users, they are the only deterrent that can lethally stop an aggressive bear. Where firearms have failed to protect people, we identified contributing causes. Our findings suggest that only those proficient in firearms use should rely on them for protection in bear country. " 2012 The Wildlife Society.

JHC
10-12-2014, 08:28 PM
Based on enough bear encounters to make an impression on me, possibly the most effective handgun cartridge that exists, is the round fired in the dirt in front of an approaching bear, that causes them to turn and leave you alone. Unfortunately in some percentage of cases, that shot has the opposite effect and prompts an immediate charge. Starting with five cartridges, I wouldn't feel keen on firing a warning shot.

Interestingly, in two instances I recall, a warning shot turned three bears -- a sow and two "cubs."

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg251/GJMandes/3bears.jpg (http://s250.photobucket.com/user/GJMandes/media/3bears.jpg.html)

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg251/GJMandes/3bearsgone.jpg (http://s250.photobucket.com/user/GJMandes/media/3bearsgone.jpg.html)

Ah! The warning shot! Two is one and five is four. Got it!

jh9
10-13-2014, 05:24 AM
http://www.arcticwild.com/blog/effic...-in-Alaska.pdf

Link doesn't work. (Probabl shouldn't contain an ellipses)

GJM
10-13-2014, 07:38 AM
Link doesn't work. (Probabl shouldn't contain an ellipses)

http://www.arcticwild.com/blog/efficacy-of-firearms-for-bear-deterrence-in-Alaska.pdf

Lester Polfus
10-13-2014, 11:07 PM
I enjoyed Neal Stephenson's book Reamde for many reasons. One of them was that the protagonist, who had once dumped a grizzly bear, in extremis, would simply get up and leave the room when other people would start talking about Grizzlies, their associated dangers, and appropriate counter precautions...

Hizzie
11-20-2014, 12:14 AM
I just pulled the trigger on a Ruger Kodiak Backpacker 44 mag. Very reminiscent of Hamilton Bowen's "alpine" package he performs on RedHawks. It ought to be a pleasant distraction.

Gun Blast liked it. http://gunblast.com/Ruger-RedhawkTALO.htm

GJM
11-20-2014, 08:02 AM
I just pulled the trigger on a Ruger Kodiak Backpacker 44 mag. Very reminiscent of Hamilton Bowen's "alpine" package he performs on RedHawks. It ought to be a pleasant distraction.

Gun Blast liked it. http://gunblast.com/Ruger-RedhawkTALO.htm

This Ruger looks very attractive. I have two Bowen Alpine conversions. After shooting the first one, I concluded the round butt negatively effected my ability to control recoil, and had him build the second one leaving a square butt.

Hizzie
11-20-2014, 11:03 AM
This Ruger looks very attractive. I have two Bowen Alpine conversions. After shooting the first one, I concluded the round butt negatively effected my ability to control recoil, and had him build the second one leaving a square butt.

Well that isn't reassuring news. Hopefully won't be the case with my size medium mitts.

1slow
11-20-2014, 11:37 AM
This Ruger looks very attractive. I have two Bowen Alpine conversions. After shooting the first one, I concluded the round butt negatively effected my ability to control recoil, and had him build the second one leaving a square butt.

This was my experience as well. Square butt makes it easier for me to get the side of the palm heel that aligns with the ulnar (pinky side) behind the grip.
About 1990 Hamilton Bowen told me that a square butt grip was better for recoil control. My .44 Redhawk is round butt, fortunately my .500, .475 Linebaugh Redhawks are square butt.
I have L/XL size hands.

Malamute
11-20-2014, 12:54 PM
^ ^ ^ I bought one of the first 629 Mountain guns that came out. Loved the skinny barrel, and thought I liked the K frame round butt Pachmayr grips. I ended up selling it, as I found I really didnt like the round butts at all for actual shooting. I've bought and sold a number of other L and N frame Smiths and sold them all because of the round butt. I know theres conversion grips, but I hadn't seen any I liked nearly as well as modified factory targets, so just passed the guns down the road.

LSP972
11-21-2014, 07:17 PM
Yet another example of manufacturing expediency screwing up a good thing. Don't know exactly when S&W went all-in on round butts, but to me, a round butt on anything bigger than a K frame snubbie is a bit… ludicrous.

I bought a Ruger Vaquero a while back. I don't recall the specific name, but it had a short (3.5") barrel and the "birdshead" grip frame. That felt real good in the store, but sucked large when shooting it. I dunno, maybe I simply don't have enough SSA experience (this was my first- and probably last- "thumb buster") to appreciate the difference, but it was distinctly uncomfortable to shoot.

I can only imagine what shooting a heavy-recoiling DA revolver with a round butt is like; I know a 2.5 or 3 inch barreled RB K frame ain't no picnic with magnums.

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GJM
11-21-2014, 09:25 PM
I have a N frame .44 mag Nightguard (short barrel, round butt) that I shoe-horned the small Hogue K/L grips on. Recoil is prodigious.

Hizzie
11-21-2014, 11:49 PM
Picked it up today. Cannot speak on the recoil control but damn that round butt fits my hand and the trigger reach appears better than my GP100's. Did I mention the sub 10lb factory DA pull?

Malamute
11-21-2014, 11:50 PM
Yet another example of manufacturing expediency screwing up a good thing. Don't know exactly when S&W went all-in on round butts, but to me, a round butt on anything bigger than a K frame snubbie is a bit… ludicrous.

I bought a Ruger Vaquero a while back. I don't recall the specific name, but it had a short (3.5") barrel and the "birdshead" grip frame. That felt real good in the store, but sucked large when shooting it. I dunno, maybe I simply don't have enough SSA experience (this was my first- and probably last- "thumb buster") to appreciate the difference, but it was distinctly uncomfortable to shoot.

I can only imagine what shooting a heavy-recoiling DA revolver with a round butt is like; I know a 2.5 or 3 inch barreled RB K frame ain't no picnic with magnums.

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I don't find the birdshead or round butt single actions to be very comfortable or handle well. The flair in the butt of the regular grip helps index the heel of the hand when shooting/cocking one handed, and give a better grip even when shooting two handed. I'm not all that high speed, but started out shooting single actions as a kid and haven't been without one since the early 70's. I agree with your assessment.

Hizzie
11-22-2014, 09:02 PM
Quick pics, crap lighting.


Kodiak Backpacker vs 642
http://i984.photobucket.com/albums/ae322/strangler366/Revolvers/1416705190_zpsceb7f713.jpg (http://s984.photobucket.com/user/strangler366/media/Revolvers/1416705190_zpsceb7f713.jpg.html)

Trigger reach. I wear medium exam gloves and large mechanix.
http://i984.photobucket.com/albums/ae322/strangler366/Revolvers/1416705182_zps021b159b.jpg (http://s984.photobucket.com/user/strangler366/media/Revolvers/1416705182_zps021b159b.jpg.html)

HCM
11-22-2014, 09:18 PM
Hizzie, who did that front sight on your 642 ? Looks interesting.

Hizzie
11-22-2014, 09:24 PM
Hizzie, who did that front sight on your 642 ? Looks interesting.

Don Williams of The Action Works many years ago. It is tritium.

Hizzie
12-10-2014, 04:15 PM
http://i984.photobucket.com/albums/ae322/strangler366/Revolvers/1418245517_zps6a65eb89-1.jpg (http://s984.photobucket.com/user/strangler366/media/Revolvers/1418245517_zps6a65eb89-1.jpg.html)


http://i984.photobucket.com/albums/ae322/strangler366/Revolvers/1418245524_zps398cc672.jpg (http://s984.photobucket.com/user/strangler366/media/Revolvers/1418245524_zps398cc672.jpg.html)

Tamara
12-10-2014, 05:40 PM
Yet another example of manufacturing expediency screwing up a good thing. Don't know exactly when S&W went all-in on round butts...

For a while, during the Aughties. Although they backed off a bit with the "Classic Reissues" because the Aulde Pharte brigade on S&W forums threatened to hold their breath until they turned blue.

When you think about it, it makes sense that if you're going to standardize on one frame shape, it should be the round butt; you can always make a round-butt square with a set of conversion stocks, but you can't make a square butt round without a bench grinder. (I will add that I think a ≥ 6" round butt looks dumb.)

Personally, the fact is that the original Model 21 TRS's being round-butt guns saved me from having to make fellow S&W collectors get all butthurt and weepy by taking my .44 HE Third Model to the aforementioned bench grinder. I think the RB works a jillion times better for behind-the-hip CCW on an N-frame than the square butt.

Lost River
12-10-2014, 07:16 PM
http://i984.photobucket.com/albums/ae322/strangler366/Revolvers/1418245517_zps6a65eb89-1.jpg (http://s984.photobucket.com/user/strangler366/media/Revolvers/1418245517_zps6a65eb89-1.jpg.html)


http://i984.photobucket.com/albums/ae322/strangler366/Revolvers/1418245524_zps398cc672.jpg (http://s984.photobucket.com/user/strangler366/media/Revolvers/1418245524_zps398cc672.jpg.html)

That new snubby Redhawk looks uber-cool!

Dagga Boy
12-11-2014, 02:24 AM
Broke in the 3" .44 Mag with 240 gr. Hornady XTP's. Very low flash, very high pain....I am paying dearly for all those years of shooting a lot of big bore revolver.

Hizzie
12-11-2014, 12:57 PM
Broke in the 3" .44 Mag with 240 gr. Hornady XTP's. Very low flash, very high pain....I am paying dearly for all those years of shooting a lot of big bore revolver.

I feel your pain today. Just got back from breaking in the KB. 25rds of S&B 240gr JSP and 12 of Barnes 225gr XPB. I'm missing a little flesh and my hand feels like I ran a ton of heavy +P's out of an airweight. I'm thinking I shoulda bought the Alaskan instead.

Malamute
12-11-2014, 01:04 PM
^ ^ ^ I'm really liking the 44 spl in the 4" 24 and medium level loads. I'm not sure the shoulder would like the heavy loads in the 44 mag at this point. I think some 200 gr cast loads in the spl may be even better yet, rather than the 240-250's.

Chuck Haggard
12-11-2014, 02:47 PM
Broke in the 3" .44 Mag with 240 gr. Hornady XTP's. Very low flash, very high pain....I am paying dearly for all those years of shooting a lot of big bore revolver.

This is why I'm reduced to shooting WCs from my 642s...................

Jeep
12-11-2014, 03:07 PM
This is why I'm reduced to shooting WCs from my 642s...................

Trust me. It gets worse.

Malamute
12-11-2014, 03:15 PM
Trust me. It gets worse.

Several years ago I decided it may be a good idea to lay hands on a K-32 for cheap and mild shooting when I was more geezerly. I waited too long. They had been discovered and werent $300 any longer.

The K-22 is great though, as is the 22 conversion kit on the 1911. A Colt Woodsman may be a good investment in shooting fun.

Dagga Boy
12-11-2014, 07:36 PM
I am going to try to find the Speer GD short barreled 200 grain .44 Mag load that sounds like it Gould be great for the short pigs.....and old hands.

Hizzie
12-11-2014, 09:08 PM
I am going to try to find the Speer GD short barreled 200 grain .44 Mag load that sounds like it Gould be great for the short pigs.....and old hands.

Hen's teeth. Good luck.

Tamara
12-11-2014, 09:18 PM
The 240gr@~1200fps Hydra Shok isn't too bad out of my 3" 629.

Dagga Boy
12-11-2014, 10:09 PM
Hen's teeth. Good luck.

Yea, I am finding that.

GJM
12-12-2014, 08:31 AM
https://www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=88


Keith load -- not crazy abusive, but great penetration.

serialsolver
12-12-2014, 05:32 PM
here is my big bore pocket gun. a little 45 that sometimes goes iwb or in carhart pocket.
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee179/serialsolver/P4220571.jpg (http://s233.photobucket.com/user/serialsolver/media/P4220571.jpg.html)

SLG
12-13-2014, 04:49 PM
This is a great thread. Having started out hunting with handguns, I haven't done so in the last 10 years. Next week I get to start a dedicated season for it - 10 days a year - in addition to regular rifle season. I broke out all my .44's to see what I could still do with them, and was less than thrilled with my Mountain Guns. My Bowen was ok, but not as great I had hoped. The gun that was the easiest to shoot well turned out to be a 6.5" M24. All shooting was done with the .44spl load that GJM linked earlier. Where I used to be able to reach to 100 yards with any of them on a deer's vitals, I now will limit myself to 50 yards until I can practice more with them. I'll try and get some pics up later if anyone cares.

Tamara
12-13-2014, 06:15 PM
I'll try and get some pics up later if anyone cares.

We care about big bore sixguns rather a lot around these parts. :)

SLG
12-13-2014, 08:03 PM
2867

I'll try to take some more later. Here's the .44 Bowen and a Mountain Gun in the holster.

GJM
12-14-2014, 01:10 AM
While I appreciate the S&W DA revolvers around bears, my favorite .44 for shooting 50-100 yards is a stainless Ruger Blackhawk that Bowen cut to four inches and tuned. Seems to shoot everything well, and is not abusive to shoot as it rolls in my hand in recoil.

Tamara
12-14-2014, 01:40 AM
I'll try to take some more later. Here's the .44 Bowen and a Mountain Gun in the holster.

#LoveABisley

SLG
12-14-2014, 09:40 AM
#LoveABisley

Me too. That was a .357 3 screw that Bowen converted to .44spl and put the Bisley grip/hammer on. The other side sports a Keith style pin:-) Always wanted a Number 5.

SLG
12-14-2014, 09:42 AM
While I appreciate the S&W DA revolvers around bears, my favorite .44 for shooting 50-100 yards is a stainless Ruger Blackhawk that Bowen cut to four inches and tuned. Seems to shoot everything well, and is not abusive to shoot as it rolls in my hand in recoil.

I have not shot the full size Blackhawks very much, but they always did seem to mitigate recoil well for me. The full size Bisley does as well (or did, its been a while), but this smaller Bisley would not be enjoyable with more power in front of it. I shoot it alright, but I really need more time behind it to learn it better.

GJM
12-14-2014, 10:31 AM
Initially, I thought the Bisley was the answer as it seemed to control recoil better. I went to some trouble switching frames over to the Bisley style. And, perhaps it does if measured by splits. However, what I figured out by accident with the chopped Blackhawk, was it rolls to the moon, but in the process dissipates recoil to places besides your hand.

SLG
12-14-2014, 10:42 AM
Initially, I thought the Bisley was the answer as it seemed to control recoil better. I went to some trouble switching frames over to the Bisley style. And, perhaps it does if measured by splits. However, what I figured out by accident with the chopped Blackhawk, was it rolls to the moon, but in the process dissipates recoil to places besides your hand.

Blackhawk or Superblackhawk? Spl or mag?

Ruger doesn't seem to currently stock a configuration that I would want. Maybe the SuperBhawk in .44mag.

Somehow missed the new model bhawk in 44 spl. Better to get that, or have another of my 3 screw's converted? Decisions, decisions...

Dagga Boy
12-14-2014, 11:09 AM
Blackhawk or Superblackhawk? Spl or mag?

Ruger doesn't seem to currently stock a configuration that I would want. Maybe the SuperBhawk in .44mag.

Somehow missed the new model bhawk in 44 spl. Better to get that, or have another of my 3 screw's converted? Decisions, decisions...

There is a 5.5" factory Bisley Stainless .44 Mag at Jackson Armory in Dallas that is unifred NIB........I just traded it in recently (because having a Tommy Gun was more important at that moment than the 23rd back up .44). That is a good barrel length for them and not always easy to find. My big boomer woods guns are 4 3/4 Super Blackhawks in .44 mag. The gigantic Hogue rubber grips help with the loads I use in them. Weirdly, my Ruger Super Alaskan in .454 feels the tamest in recoil, but I think that is all in the grip they use on them.

Malamute
12-14-2014, 12:27 PM
Initially, I thought the Bisley was the answer as it seemed to control recoil better. I went to some trouble switching frames over to the Bisley style. And, perhaps it does if measured by splits. However, what I figured out by accident with the chopped Blackhawk, was it rolls to the moon, but in the process dissipates recoil to places besides your hand.


This has been my experience as well. I've had several Bisleys, but they never felt as comfortable in the hand or shooting as the regular Blackhawk or Super grip frame. I shoot the heavier 45 Colt bear loads (300-325 gr w/ 23 grs H-110 I believe) without a problem in the regular grip frames.

The Supers are flaired a bit more at the lower rear backstrap than I like, so I modified one. I liked the Casull grip. I traced the grip panels and overlaid them on a Super grip frame and welded and ground it to match. I did away with the square backed trigger guard also. Its not finished yet, it needs some decent grips.

LittleLebowski
12-14-2014, 05:32 PM
#LoveABisley

That. Have one of those eyetalian replicas sitting broken in my safe.

SLG
12-14-2014, 09:19 PM
I'm not much of a photographer, but here are some more. How do I rotate the pics to look right?

287028712872

Patrick Taylor
12-15-2014, 12:32 AM
Always liked the looks of a full lug 5 inch Smith but the Mountain gun models would be my choice for all day carry.

Tamara
12-15-2014, 08:36 AM
I'm not much of a photographer, but here are some more. How do I rotate the pics to look right?

I dunno. Don't worry, I'm turning my head to compensate. ;)

Right before I moved up to Indiana, I discovered I'd spent the last half-dozen years living one freeway exit... literally a rifle shot across the river as the crow flies ...from Hamilton Bowen's shop. Imagine my chagrin. :D

Tamara
12-15-2014, 08:38 AM
That. Have one of those eyetalian replicas sitting broken in my safe.

A .44 Magnum Bisquero changed my life.

(I was taking the gun to drop off at home before going to work at the airport when that dude cleaned me off the bike with the front bumper of his Camry.)

Dagga Boy
12-15-2014, 09:02 AM
I'm not much of a photographer, but here are some more. How do I rotate the pics to look right?

If you spin the Ipad really fast, you can see it right for a split second.

Years ago I had a Sheriff's Bisquero custom built. One of my all-time favorites and the gun my Donder adn Blitzen black powder defense load was originally built for. Eventually, Ruger made some similar types of factory guns, but i still love my custom little monster. I find the Bisley easier to "run the gun" while standard grips will let the big boomers roll straight up and dissipate a bunch of the recoil.

GJM
12-15-2014, 09:21 PM
Here is my Bowen Ruger. He did it for me before there were Scandium 329 revolvers, as a lightweight .44. I love it.

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg251/GJMandes/Bowen_zps0eb1f935.jpg (http://s250.photobucket.com/user/GJMandes/media/Bowen_zps0eb1f935.jpg.html)

SLG
12-15-2014, 09:35 PM
Good looking piece.

Lost River
12-21-2014, 11:48 PM
I was carrying my 5" 29-2 when this big Jack presented itself. Missed a chip shot, as when he stopped behind brush, I was focused on the wrong piece of brush.
He then took off at the shot but stopped at a paced 60 yards and I could clearly see his ears. His head got the canoe effect from a 240 grain cast SWC.

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b109/IV_Troop/Mobile%20Uploads/photo-2_zps9ca635cc.jpg (http://s18.photobucket.com/user/IV_Troop/media/Mobile%20Uploads/photo-2_zps9ca635cc.jpg.html)

Hizzie
02-05-2015, 04:59 PM
I wish Ruger would make the 44 Magnum SRH in an in-between size. This will do for now.

http://i984.photobucket.com/albums/ae322/strangler366/Revolvers/1423172257_zps36626d41.jpg (http://s984.photobucket.com/user/strangler366/media/Revolvers/1423172257_zps36626d41.jpg.html)

DamonL
02-05-2015, 09:04 PM
Bowen Classic can convert that to an in-between GP 44. Check them out.

Hizzie
02-05-2015, 10:00 PM
Bowen Classic can convert that to an in-between GP 44. Check them out.

I've seen. I've drooled. I've cursed my wallet.

tomr
02-06-2015, 04:35 PM
Anybody have a clue as to how the barrels are assembled to the Alaskan?

Hizzie
02-06-2015, 05:13 PM
Anybody have a clue as to how the barrels are assembled to the Alaskan?

It's just a SRH. They thread them in. I'm sure there is some fancy pants tool the factory has to make easy.

Grizzly21
02-18-2015, 03:38 AM
Before the Scandium 329 was available, I had Hamilton Bowen make up a trim .44. The revolver shoots great, as in one inch +/- at 25 yards, and is surprisingly comfortable to shoot even with 300 grain hard cast full power loads. I figured out I would rather have a DA revolver in a fight with a bear, despite how sweet the Bowen .44 is, so it doesn't see much field use now.

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg251/GJMandes/bowen44_zpsc5326ddc.jpg (http://s250.photobucket.com/user/GJMandes/media/bowen44_zpsc5326ddc.jpg.html)

Here is my modern rig -- shoulder holster and chest rig.

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg251/GJMandes/survshth_zps2fdfb7a0.jpg (http://s250.photobucket.com/user/GJMandes/media/survshth_zps2fdfb7a0.jpg.html)

Who makes the holster rig?

Hizzie
02-18-2015, 08:47 AM
Survival Sheath Systems. Top notch gear IF you ever get your order. They have a poor reputation for CS.

JHC
02-18-2015, 10:25 AM
Survival Sheath Systems. Top notch gear IF you ever get your order. They have a poor reputation for CS.

3 years and counting for a knife sheath.

tomr
02-18-2015, 10:58 AM
It's just a SRH. They thread them in. I'm sure there is some fancy pants tool the factory has to make easy.

Was just being curious. Looking at an SRH this appear to be a barrel inserted into the frame with that larger integral forward section - shroud. Is the whole of that frame/"shroud" threaded? Seems unlikely. Assuming it is threaded in, especially with the Alaskan that has no barrel sticking out past the frame, how they do that? Theres no nut or slot. Do they go off the rifling with some kind of wrench? Could it be press fit? When Hamilton-Bowen cuts the shroud back to make his "Real Super Redhawk" http://www.bowenclassicarms.com/workshop.html (scroll to bottom) that seems to infer threading isn't full length of the shroud. Is this like that on the new S&W L frame 44 mag?

Dagga Boy
02-18-2015, 05:02 PM
Couple cool new ones:
A 1950 Target in .44 Spl with a later 24 barrel expertly installed and then matte finished (from our own member Dave T), and a model 25-5 in 45 Colt with a 6.5" 1950 Target barrel that is sort of a mystery as it looks like a factory instal. I have an idea of how it came to be, but it will take some research. No matter how it happened, the long tapered barrel balances great and as my partner Wayne would say..."you could do the Lord's work with this one".

JHC
02-18-2015, 06:27 PM
A .44 Magnum Bisquero changed my life.

(I was taking the gun to drop off at home before going to work at the airport when that dude cleaned me off the bike with the front bumper of his Camry.)

I think I remember hearing about that event on GT. That was pretty tough.

JHC
02-18-2015, 06:30 PM
Here is my Bowen Ruger. He did it for me before there were Scandium 329 revolvers, as a lightweight .44. I love it.

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg251/GJMandes/Bowen_zps0eb1f935.jpg (http://s250.photobucket.com/user/GJMandes/media/Bowen_zps0eb1f935.jpg.html)

G and all others with experience: is the Bisley hammer easier to use one handed?

Malamute
02-18-2015, 06:37 PM
G and all others with experience: is the Bisley hammer easier to use one handed?


A bit. The Super Blackhawk hammers are similar I believe. I've put them (Super hammers) in a couple that came with regular hammers. I dont mind the regular hammers at all.

I never really warmed up to the whole Bisley thing. Owned several and shot a number of them, they just dont feel as good to me as the regular type grip frames and hammers or Super hammers.

JHC
02-18-2015, 07:13 PM
Thanks. Think I might swap to a Bisley hammer on my New BH .45.

Dagga Boy
02-18-2015, 08:27 PM
I am also big on swapping in Bisley hammers into my Ruger single actions.............which I also have a bunch of the DB I HATE YOU editions of.....:p

HCM
02-19-2015, 09:04 AM
A 1950 Target in .44 Spl with a later 24 barrel expertly installed and then matte finished (from our own member Dave T)

Well, if Tams not going to hate you for this one I will. :D

jetfire
02-19-2015, 01:11 PM
I am also big on swapping in Bisley hammers into my Ruger single actions.............which I also have a bunch of the DB I HATE YOU editions of.....:p

I should try this on my Blackhawk. The standard hammer is a bit too high for my tastes if I'm trying to shoot it fast with a two handed grip.

SteveK
02-19-2015, 01:50 PM
I thought standard Ruger Bisley hammers don't retrofit to Blackhawks without some frame modification. Am I correct about this? Are there any quality aftermarket Bisley hammers that do?

JHC
02-19-2015, 01:55 PM
I thought standard Ruger Bisley hammers don't retrofit to Blackhawks without some frame modification. Am I correct about this? Are there any quality aftermarket Bisley hammers that do?

I thought I'd just read of folks dropping them in for the most part (on a Ruger forum). But I haven't dug deeply into it yet.
I copy catted you out and got a 4 5/8 .45/ACP model.

Mike Pipes
02-20-2015, 10:29 AM
Retro's N frame stable 625-7....28-2.......29-2.....all wearing Eagle Secret Service grips..................cya


http://i1065.photobucket.com/albums/u393/mikepipes1/photo%2042_zpsnnk3jsai.jpg (http://s1065.photobucket.com/user/mikepipes1/media/photo%2042_zpsnnk3jsai.jpg.html)

http://i1065.photobucket.com/albums/u393/mikepipes1/photo%2022_zpsynavdmqg.jpg (http://s1065.photobucket.com/user/mikepipes1/media/photo%2022_zpsynavdmqg.jpg.html)

http://i1065.photobucket.com/albums/u393/mikepipes1/photo%2032_zps83aysxtn.jpg (http://s1065.photobucket.com/user/mikepipes1/media/photo%2032_zps83aysxtn.jpg.html)

JHC
02-20-2015, 10:42 AM
Mike, or anyone else for that matter,
Any idea what Craig Spegel charges for his wood grips. I like the idea of his "extended" boot grip (in the light colored maple) for my M28. I know it takes about 4 mos but I don't find pricing on his page.

Those grips look might good too.

Mike Pipes
02-20-2015, 10:58 AM
mike, or anyone else for that matter,
any idea what craig spegel charges for his wood grips. I like the idea of his "extended" boot grip (in the light colored maple) for my m28. I know it takes about 4 mos but i don't find pricing on his page.

Those grips look might good too.

a hunnerd years ago i order a set of spegels and they were $110....eagle does have a large variety.....cya retro

LtDave
02-20-2015, 05:01 PM
Mike, or anyone else for that matter,
Any idea what Craig Spegel charges for his wood grips. I like the idea of his "extended" boot grip (in the light colored maple) for my M28. I know it takes about 4 mos but I don't find pricing on his page.


He's not currently taking any orders. Last time I looked, Novak's had one set of Spegel J-frame grips left for about $250. I think I paid about $100-125 for the last set I bought from them. I've been checking eBay and Gunbroker pretty regularly and none are showing up there.

JHC
02-20-2015, 05:55 PM
He's not currently taking any orders. Last time I looked, Novak's had one set of Spegel J-frame grips left for about $250. I think I paid about $100-125 for the last set I bought from them. I've been checking eBay and Gunbroker pretty regularly and none are showing up there.

Whoa

JHC
02-20-2015, 05:56 PM
a hunnerd years ago i order a set of spegels and they were $110....eagle does have a large variety.....cya retro

Some plan B will do ;)

LHS
05-30-2015, 02:03 AM
http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h103/LordHeadshot/Vaquero_WesHardin_Small_zpsftdfaxzh.jpg

Finally got a holster for my old .44 Mag Vaquero. Wes Hardin belt holster from El Paso. It's still pretty stiff, and difficult to seat the gun fully into it. I assume some oil and/or saddle soap should remedy that?

Malamute
05-30-2015, 09:50 AM
I thought standard Ruger Bisley hammers don't retrofit to Blackhawks without some frame modification. Am I correct about this? Are there any quality aftermarket Bisley hammers that do?

I'm not sure about Bisely Hammers, but the Super Blackhawk hammers have lower wider spurs are are drop in on any Blackhawk or full size Vaquero. I dont know if they work with the later, slightly smaller sive vaqueros and flat tops.


http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h103/LordHeadshot/Vaquero_WesHardin_Small_zpsftdfaxzh.jpg

Finally got a holster for my old .44 Mag Vaquero. Wes Hardin belt holster from El Paso. It's still pretty stiff, and difficult to seat the gun fully into it. I assume some oil and/or saddle soap should remedy that?

Nice holster. It looks similar to the holsters Ed Harris used in Riders of the Purple Sage

A holster maker I know tells me to use a 50/50 mix of rubbing alcohol and water in a spray bottle, damp the tight areas or places you want to fit the gun better and damp it down. Since your gun is stainless you can just leave it in while it dries without wrapping it in saran wrap. He siad ti use it on cartridge loops also. Leave them in to stretch them, leave them out to shrink them a little. Wet molded holsters can grip the gun somewhat like kydex. One friend damps his new holsters me makes and packs them between large blocks of clay to mold them to the gun. Ideally the holster should hold the gun upside down without dropping it, but let it go when intentionally drawn. So, you dont just want "loose" (easy to seat the gun or get it out but not hold it snugly), but well fitted.

Lost River
09-15-2015, 08:57 PM
SLG's thread about dialing in his 5" 629 made me think of this thread. Hopefully his comments about his .44 experiences can be added here.

I think I discussed it in a previous thread, but earlier this summer I went on a 2 day motorbike ride in Central ID. The sidearm of choice was my 329. Fun gun:

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b109/IV_Troop/P1000817_zpst0tgjd84.jpg (http://s18.photobucket.com/user/IV_Troop/media/P1000817_zpst0tgjd84.jpg.html)

Well, at least fun to pack. It is tolerable with my general purpose/mid level loads, the 10 grains Unique and 240/250 cast. bullets.

I just recently picked up some crimson trace laser grips for this gun, as I was not at all satisfied with the factory V shaped rear blade, coupled with a F.O. round topped front sight. I replaced the front blade with another fiber optic, though in a conventional squared profile, with a green tritium in the normal position. I replaced the rear V blade with a standard target sighted one. No pics of the "new and improved "version, but when I zero it (hopefully soon) I will attempt to remedy that. I really like the laser grips for a low light defense revolver. As a long time user of the CT grips on my BUG J frame, I expect that they should work fine.