Knock out Game

[justintime]

Has anyone already discussed this? unbelievable :mad:

http://misguidedchildren.com/domestic-affairs/2013/11/knockout-game-so-it-has-come-to-this/6712

[Slavex]

isn't this from like 5 years ago?

[justintime]

isn't this from like 5 years ago?
Not sure, it's been making the rounds on Facebook recently

[PPGMD]

The "game" has been around for a few years.

[Totem Polar]

That's been around longer than a few years. I know someone who was knocked out in this fashion at least 4 years ago, and I had already heard about DBs doing this stuff prior to that incident.

[Nephrology]

I think the name makes it sound a lot more organized than it actually is. Hoodrats getting up to no good and assaulting random people is not exactly front page of the NYT material.

[JV_]

Sometimes it doesn't go as planned:


The victim was attacked by 17-year-old Marvell Weaver. But Weaver did more than try to knock his victim out, he tried to do it with a taser. Luckily for the victim, the taser didn't work and he was able to protect himself with his concealed-carry .40 caliber pistol.

http://www.wilx.com/news/featured/headlines/Dangerous-Game---Point-em-Out-Knock-em-Out-231443411.html?device=phone

[JHC]

It is an old re-tread game but it does seem to have rebounded of late.

[justintime]

Sometimes it doesn't go as planned:



http://www.wilx.com/news/featured/headlines/Dangerous-Game---Point-em-Out-Knock-em-Out-231443411.html?device=phone

getting tasered unexpectedly would suck really bad. I was just thinking about what would happen if they did not succeed against a ccw carrying citizen.

[justintime]

I also saw this floating around facebook - seems fake

http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/mma.cfm?go=forum.posts&thread=2254278&forum=2&page=1&pc=2

cant find a legit source for it... Not that any of the news sources are anyway ;)

[MikeyC]

My earliest recollection of this goes back to the mid 90s in DC, and New York. There was a video circulating back in the day of some thug who knocked a dude out then urinated all over him. His buddy was carrying on in the background stating "You knocked him out in one punch, you're a true gentleman" or some such.

[rudy99]

This is where the "default position" Cecil teaches comes into play, although it is difficult to use it if some punk comes running up from behind and hits you on the back of the head.

[TR675]

I'm sure that by plastering this story all over the place the newsmedia is making great strides toward actually solving the problem instead of giving idiots a new big idea for a fun game to play.

[Dagga Boy]

My worry is that someone is going to shoot a protected class youth doing this, and it will be the next case of a youth getting his life together gunned down by a racist gun owner itching to kill.

[TR675]

That does seem to be a trending media meme.

[TGS]

My worry is that someone is going to shoot a protected class youth doing this, and it will be the next case of a youth getting his life together gunned down by a racist gun owner itching to kill.

Well, obviously it can't happen any other way!

But 3 protected class teens who light a old white man on fire while yelling, "Die Whitey!" and "Justice for Trayvon!" is just kids being kids.

[JM Campbell]

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[Mike C]

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JC000, that has got to be one of the most ridiculous off color comments I have ever heard. Just where do you derive the factual basis for your comment? [JV: REMOVED PERSONAL ATTACK] What a bunch of racist crap.

[JV_]

The post has been removed, please get back on topic.

[LHS]

My worry is that someone is going to shoot a protected class youth doing this, and it will be the next case of a youth getting his life together gunned down by a racist gun owner itching to kill.

Yep. The headline will read "White gun owner guns down unarmed black teen, claims 'Stand Your Ground' defense"

[Tamara]

I'm sure that by plastering this story all over the place the newsmedia is making great strides toward actually solving the problem instead of giving idiots a new big idea for a fun game to play.

^^^This.

It's not helped by them calling it "the knockout game trend" rather than the more accurate "felonious assault trend".

[Dagga Boy]

^^^This.

It's not helped by them calling it "the knockout game trend" rather than the more accurate "felonious assault trend".

This was brought up on Greta Van Sustern's show the other night. Greta was funny when she said that she doubts the type of people doing this are watching her show on Fox.

Felonious assault would make it criminal. Calling it a game helps to make it sound like these are just a bunch of kids "playing", thus making it okay to avoid the facts that most of these are targeted crimes.

[Maple Syrup Actual]

As a Canadian gun guy, this thread and/or phenomenon always highlights what I think of as the great American firearms dilemma.

Many places in the US sanction the private concealed carry of firearms, which is something I support.

Unfortunately many places in the US really warrant the private concealed carry of firearms, which is something I usually want to avoid.


Up here, I can't legally carry, so I don't. On the other hand, we really don't see the kind of semi-random violence against gainfully employed, normal members of society you get down there that makes carrying so appealing. I think the city I work in has had more murders than almost any other city in the country this year (22) and it's the size of Detroit (nearly 400). And you pretty much have to be a gangster or hooker to make the list.

I'm not trying to craft an argument here...just an observation that in many states CCW is legal, fortunately, but necessary, unfortunately. I do value gun freedoms quite highly but I have to admit I would find the idea of living around people who play the so-called "knockout game" to be very unappealing.

Anyway that's always the dilemma for the Canadian gun guy...relocate to the US to experience gun freedom...and need it?

[LHS]

As a Canadian gun guy, this thread and/or phenomenon always highlights what I think of as the great American firearms dilemma.

Many places in the US sanction the private concealed carry of firearms, which is something I support.

Unfortunately many places in the US really warrant the private concealed carry of firearms, which is something I usually want to avoid.


Up here, I can't legally carry, so I don't. On the other hand, we really don't see the kind of semi-random violence against gainfully employed, normal members of society you get down there that makes carrying so appealing. I think the city I work in has had more murders than almost any other city in the country this year (22) and it's the size of Detroit (nearly 400). And you pretty much have to be a gangster or hooker to make the list.

I'm not trying to craft an argument here...just an observation that in many states CCW is legal, fortunately, but necessary, unfortunately. I do value gun freedoms quite highly but I have to admit I would find the idea of living around people who play the so-called "knockout game" to be very unappealing.

Anyway that's always the dilemma for the Canadian gun guy...relocate to the US to experience gun freedom...and need it?

Or move to a part of the US with a lower crime rate and great gun laws, i.e. Montana, Idaho, Vermont (though suppressors are verboten there), Arizona...

[justintime]

As a Canadian gun guy, this thread and/or phenomenon always highlights what I think of as the great American firearms dilemma.

Many places in the US sanction the private concealed carry of firearms, which is something I support.

Unfortunately many places in the US really warrant the private concealed carry of firearms, which is something I usually want to avoid.


Up here, I can't legally carry, so I don't. On the other hand, we really don't see the kind of semi-random violence against gainfully employed, normal members of society you get down there that makes carrying so appealing. I think the city I work in has had more murders than almost any other city in the country this year (22) and it's the size of Detroit (nearly 400). And you pretty much have to be a gangster or hooker to make the list.

I'm not trying to craft an argument here...just an observation that in many states CCW is legal, fortunately, but necessary, unfortunately. I do value gun freedoms quite highly but I have to admit I would find the idea of living around people who play the so-called "knockout game" to be very unappealing.

Anyway that's always the dilemma for the Canadian gun guy...relocate to the US to experience gun freedom...and need it?

I think that is a slight misconception as the odds of actually needing it are statistically very low. It is just if you end up needing it, it is a great freedom to be able to express.

[TGS]

As a Canadian gun guy, this thread and/or phenomenon always highlights what I think of as the great American firearms dilemma.

Many places in the US sanction the private concealed carry of firearms, which is something I support.

Unfortunately many places in the US really warrant the private concealed carry of firearms, which is something I usually want to avoid.


Up here, I can't legally carry, so I don't. On the other hand, we really don't see the kind of semi-random violence against gainfully employed, normal members of society you get down there that makes carrying so appealing. I think the city I work in has had more murders than almost any other city in the country this year (22) and it's the size of Detroit (nearly 400). And you pretty much have to be a gangster or hooker to make the list.

I'm not trying to craft an argument here...just an observation that in many states CCW is legal, fortunately, but necessary, unfortunately. I do value gun freedoms quite highly but I have to admit I would find the idea of living around people who play the so-called "knockout game" to be very unappealing.

Anyway that's always the dilemma for the Canadian gun guy...relocate to the US to experience gun freedom...and need it?

Typically the areas with legal CCW have much lower crime rates. The liberal utopias are the ones with most of the murders.

Take for instance my city. Super, super strict gun laws by virtue of the state, yet we are running close to 40 murders for a city under 80, 000. Our violent crime rate last year was 4x the national average.

When you remove the anti-gun cities like this from the equation, the US ends up ranking as one of the safest countries in the western hemisphere.

ETA: Even as it is, the national average for violent crime is 3.5x higher in the UK than the US. Higher percentage of murders here, but your chance of being a victim of violent crime at all is much lower. To boot, some insane number...like 83 percent of the murders, IIRC are between gangs.

[ToddG]

The whole reason this stupid "game" is worthy of attention is because random felonious assaults are traditionally so rare in the US. The vast majority of violent crime in this country is committed between people who know each other. If this was just "dog bites man," it wouldn't be all over the news all over the world.

While I understand and appreciate the racial aspect of this so far, the reality is that once it's become a YouTube phenomenon (and it has) there will be young males of all sizes, shapes, and colors who want to get in on the action. The bigger crime will be if racial politics (and the claims of "profiling") keep law enforcement agencies from treating this as the very serious problem it could be.

[TR675]

Or it could just be nonsense.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/23/nyregion/knockout-game-a-spreading-menace-or-a-myth.html?_r=0

[Dagga Boy]

The Jews made it up.............I KNEW IT:eek:.

[TCinVA]

Or it could just be nonsense.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/23/nyregion/knockout-game-a-spreading-menace-or-a-myth.html?_r=0

Plenty of vids on youtube, World Star Hip Hop and Liveleak prove it's not a myth.

There really are a bunch of people out there who think it's fun to throw an unprovoked physical attack against some random stranger. And now that it's made headlines and drawn attention, there will be more.

Is the fear some have of it proportional to the danger? Probably not.

...of course, to those of us on PF the idea that a random stranger with no beef can beat/stab/shoot you just for giggles shouldn't be novel. So it shouldn't really make much of a difference to how we go about life.

[TCinVA]

As a Canadian gun guy, this thread and/or phenomenon always highlights what I think of as the great American firearms dilemma.

Many places in the US sanction the private concealed carry of firearms, which is something I support.

Unfortunately many places in the US really warrant the private concealed carry of firearms, which is something I usually want to avoid.


Up here, I can't legally carry, so I don't. On the other hand, we really don't see the kind of semi-random violence against gainfully employed, normal members of society you get down there that makes carrying so appealing. I think the city I work in has had more murders than almost any other city in the country this year (22) and it's the size of Detroit (nearly 400). And you pretty much have to be a gangster or hooker to make the list.

I'm not trying to craft an argument here...just an observation that in many states CCW is legal, fortunately, but necessary, unfortunately. I do value gun freedoms quite highly but I have to admit I would find the idea of living around people who play the so-called "knockout game" to be very unappealing.

Anyway that's always the dilemma for the Canadian gun guy...relocate to the US to experience gun freedom...and need it?

You pose an interesting question...and hit at an important issue. The difficultly of judging things from the outside.

The United States is probably no different than most other parts of the world. There are parts of it that are exceptionally safe to the point where the local authorities don't actually know how to work a real crime scene because they're rarer than hen's teeth. Then there are other parts of it that are exceptionally dangerous, to the point where you can roll down the road drunk and speeding and the cops are too busy working homicides, aggravated assaults, and gang stuff to bother pulling that guy over.

Coming from Canada, you're probably at a greater risk of being assaulted traveling to any of the urban cloisters here than you are at home. If you were in my neck of America, which is just a couple of hours from two places who have been murder capitols of the US in years past, your odds of being a victim of a criminal assault are pretty damn low unless you're in a Stupid Place doing Stupid Things with Stupid People. Even then, it's still pretty damn low given how many stupid people there are running around doing stupid things in my area you'd think Darwin has a blind spot.

Memphis? Well...different story.

Someone once joked that if they wanted more street cred all they'd have to do is go to Memphis and hang out on the right street corner and they'd get all the action they can handle. Meanwhile in other neighborhoods in Memphis it's probably as placid and tranquil as a Leave It To Beaver cartoon.

We tend to move away from problem areas in America. Those too stubborn or poor to do so tend to make up most of the true innocents who suffer the worst from the criminals we don't keep locked up. Once NYC gets a good load of the policing policies of their new socialist mayor I have a feeling there will be a more aggressive move towards public safety because for whatever reason New Yorkers don't move until they retire. Then they move to my neck of the woods and complain about how we do things different than "back home."

For our gluttony holiday that's vaguely related to Pilgrims, I'm heading down to my family's ancestral home, to my grandmother's house. Which is smack dab in the middle of the ghetto. I feel pretty safe there despite the fact that I'm sure that 90% of the male population in the immediate area (and at least 60% of the female population) has a significant rap sheet. I've watched them deal drugs while I raked leaves and mowed the lawn. I've had a couple of interesting incidents, but they never got too serious because I can sideline my placid cherub-like demeanor long enough to convince most bad guys I'm probably a bad risk.

We could hang out in the middle of the ghetto and at worst you'd come away with an interesting story or two about how the guy walking down the street drinking from an anti-freeze container reacted to your revelation that you're a brain surgeon. ;)

[jc000]

While I understand and appreciate the racial aspect of this so far, the reality is that once it's become a YouTube phenomenon (and it has) there will be young males of all sizes, shapes, and colors who want to get in on the action.

Sorry, but that really isn't the case and I wish we could stop pretending that it is.

Blacks have no monopoly on random violence, but I'd really like to understand why such a not-insignificant subset of that community consistently and disproportionately engages in this type of behavior.

[TR675]

Plenty of vids on youtube, World Star Hip Hop and Liveleak prove it's not a myth.

There really are a bunch of people out there who think it's fun to throw an unprovoked physical attack against some random stranger.

I don't think unprovoked physical attacks on random innocent people are a myth. And I don't think that unprovoked physical assaults on people so the assailant can prove how tough they are by knocking them out are a myth. And I surely don't trust the NYT any further than I can throw their collective commie-editorial-board carcasses.

But I also kind of doubt that this idiot game didn't exist before cell phone cameras and a catchy, made-for-honky-scaring-24/7-news-channels name. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe it's real and just completely been blown out of proportion on the internet. My take on it so far is that it just seems like the kind of semi-true, semi-manufactured controversy that gets reg'lar folks periodically all worked up about inner-city youts, whom they usually feel safe ignoring. But that's another topic.


And now that it's made headlines and drawn attention, there will be more.

Ayup.

[ToddG]

Blacks have no monopoly on random violence, but I'd really like to understand why such a not-insignificant subset of that community consistently and disproportionately engages in this type of behavior.

Not-insignificant subset? Dude, there haven't been enough of these attacks, even if each one was perpetrated by a different person, even if every single perpetrator has been black, to call that a "not-insignificant subset of that community."

Let's go wild and say this has happened one thousand times (though there is no evidence it's anywhere near that amount). There are 40 million black Americans. So that's one in forty thousand making up your "not-insignificant subset." Sorry, no.

The family who lives immediately to our left is from Haiti. The father, who is in his 50's, walks past me on the sidewalk all the time. I'm not nearly as worried he'll try to "knockout game" me as the white kid from the next block over who thinks Hip Hop is a religion and who is working hard all the time to prove he's "street" (or whatever the kids are calling it these days) just to annoy his suburbanite parents.

The amount of melanin in someone's skin is not affecting whether or not they think it's cool to knock people unconscious at random. This is a cultural issue, not an anatomical one.

[LittleLebowski]

This is a cultural issue, not an anatomical one.

Precisely. An inner city cultural issue. A recent knockout attack consisted of Hispanics and an Indian perp.

[Totem Polar]

Precisely. An inner city cultural issue. A recent knockout attack consisted of Hispanics and an Indian perp.

The guy I personally know who was victim to this sort of thing was sucker punched by white trash walking past him on the sidewalk. Pretty hard to guard against, unless you pick up some sort of non-verbal pre-incident cue or indicator.

[Dagga Boy]

It's an inner city "Thug Culture" thing. The Thug Culture is not restricted to a particular race.

[Tamara]

It's an inner city "Thug Culture" thing. The Thug Culture is not restricted to a particular race.

Nor to the inner city; any rural or small-town deppity can tell you which trailer park sees the most action on gummint check days.

(I'm sure half the people here have gotten Sheriff Ken's speech on which Boone County bars to avoid unless you're looking for a knife fight. ;) )

[Dagga Boy]

And those are the Trailer Park Thug Culture......worked both, and they are different while being the same. We had a bunch of trailer parks in the city I worked in...........I hated entering them for any reason. At least in the crappy apartments, nobody wanted to talk to the cops about anything. Pull in a trailer park, and half the residents wanted to discuss every level of soap opera drama about the other half. They were like islands of disfunction. With that said, like the ghetto apartments, every crime in the area could be traced back to the "Youths" of breeding place in question.

[Tamara]

Pull in a trailer park, and half the residents wanted to discuss every level of soap opera drama about the other half.

"The fumes from his lab are wiltin' mah pot plants and the management won't do nothin' 'bout it!"

[Dagga Boy]

"The fumes from his lab are wiltin' mah pot plants and the management won't do nothin' 'bout it!"


You know what I'm talking about:cool:.

In both the Ghetto Apartments and Trailer Parks, the drama over "who gotz who pregent" would almost be funny if it were not for the future generations of victims and later suspects born out of them. What these animals do with their children while the taxpayers pay for it is "why" we are where we are today:(.

[RoyGBiv]

........ would almost be funny if it were not for the future generations of victims and later suspects born out of them. What these animals do with their children while the taxpayers pay for it is "why" we are where we are today:(.


I think a general Government necessary for us, and there is no form of government but what may be a blessing to the people, if well administered; and I believe, farther, that this is likely to be well administered for a course of years, and can only end in despotism, as other forms have done before it, when the people shall become so corrupted as to need despotic government, being incapable of any other.

Benjamin Franklin, Speech to the Constitutional Convention (September 17, 1787);

[LittleLebowski]

Words fail me.

http://dailycaller.com/2013/12/04/de-blasio-ally-knockout-game-violence-stems-from-genuine-concern-about-jewish-influence/#ixzz2mbz3Kpvj



Through those interactions, it was brought to my attention by many of the African American/Caribbean residents that perhaps the relationship between the two communities is not as great as it is currently perceived to be by the leadership. At the meeting, I shared that many African American/Caribbean residents expressed a genuine concern that as the Jewish community continues to grow, they would be pushed out by their Jewish landlords or by Jewish families looking to purchase homes. I relayed these sentiments at the forum not as an insult to the Jewish community, but rather to offer possible insight as
to how young African American/Caribbean teens could conceivably commit a “hate crime” against a
community that they know very little about

[TCinVA]

They don't fail me:

That's retarded, sir.

...but typical.

[BaiHu]

Can you hear me now??


“There were seven reported cases of street violence in New Haven this November that could be linked to the ‘knockout game,’ ” The Yale Daily News reported today, citing a Nov. 21 email from Yale Police Chief, Ronnell Higgins.

http://www.thecollegefix.com/post/15556/

[NETim]

Love her or hate her, here's Coulter's take:

http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2013-12-04.html

[TCinVA]

Love her or hate her, here's Coulter's take:

http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2013-12-04.html

I find Ms. Coulter spends more time actually researching what she writes than most in the press, and I rather enjoy blunt commentary that does away with the ridiculous artifice that seems to envelop everything from DC, LA, and Manhattan.

[BaiHu]

With friends like liberals, why does the black community even need white, rich, Republicans as their boogy man?

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