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jetfire
11-11-2013, 10:34 AM
1890

Ruger Security Six 6 inch, 25 yards freestyle standing. Ammo: Double Tap 158 grain LSWC. Group size 1.803 inches.

1891

Smith & Wesson 640 Pro Series, 2 inch barrel 25 yards freestyle standing. Ammo: Magtech 158 grain LRN. Group size: 3.866 inches, 2.137 if you subtract the derp-shot at the top right.

1892

Ruger LCR 22LR, 25 yards sandbag supported. Ammo: Eley .22 LR 40 grain lead HP. Group size 1.885 inches.

The Security Six also turned in some pretty rad groups with other ammo, but by that time it was so cold that I called it and forgot to take pictures.

Tamara
11-11-2013, 11:45 AM
You can't hit nothin' with them snubnose revolvers. Barrel's too short fer akkerate shootin'. Those're "belly guns", fer point-shootin'.

justintime
11-11-2013, 11:56 AM
I actually believed that until I borrowed my grandpas 642 and shot an 8" steel plate past 100 yards. I was like.. hmm 'mind blown' I did not grow up around funky wheel guns :D

Totem Polar
11-11-2013, 12:43 PM
How come the SS is 5 shots and the 640 is 6?

Good shooting either way; better n me freestanding with a j at 25.

jetfire
11-11-2013, 12:55 PM
How come the SS is 5 shots and the 640 is 6?

Good shooting either way; better n me freestanding with a j at 25.

I had six rounds left at the end of the day and I was shooting the 640, so I figured "what the hell, might as well load one more."

The Security Six was five because I was supposed to shooting and measuring five shot groups.

There's also a small chance that the 640 Pro Series group was mislabeled and actually shot with a Colt Cobra.

JAD
11-11-2013, 01:27 PM
There's also a small chance that the 640 Pro Series group was mislabeled and actually shot with a Colt Cobra.
It would look cooler if it was shot with a Colt. Also:
http://img.ffffound.com/static-data/assets/6/93386ac975f40dc50b1b54b578a769f9ed6fbfed_m.gif
lil' Cobra.

Malamute
12-15-2013, 03:34 PM
Ruger Blackhawk 45,

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b387/Malamute/Odds%20and%20ends%20online/IMG_3660.jpg

Smith K-22, 25 yards kneeling,

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b387/Malamute/Odds%20and%20ends%20online/IMG_3654.jpg

Uberti 1860. A friend borrowed it and shot one round. I finished it up empty, just curious how it shot on paper. Does OK I guess.

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b387/Malamute/Odds%20and%20ends%20online/IMG_3651.jpg


I was surprised at how well the J's shoot. I hit an 18" x 36" plate at the neighbors @ 200 yards after wasting a few ranging it in.

45dotACP
12-16-2013, 02:51 PM
Hmph! Clearly you are all point shooting ;)

Chuck Haggard
12-16-2013, 03:55 PM
Was that the Double Tap .38 ammo you've written about elsewhere?

jetfire
12-16-2013, 03:56 PM
Yes, the 158 grain LSWC. Very accurate in all my tests.

Chuck Haggard
12-16-2013, 03:58 PM
Nice. Thanks

jetfire
12-26-2013, 02:42 PM
More shooting. All groups are six shots, fired with a Ruger GP100 WC (3 inch barrel, Novak sights) at 20 yards.

2001

Hornady Critical Defense 110 grain FTX, size 2.48 inches

2002

DoubleTap 158 grain LSWC, 2.40 inches.

I also shot groups with Magtech 158 grain LRN, which gave me 3.16 inches and Federal Range and Target 130 grain FMJ, which produced a 2.61 inch group.

The DoubleTap 158 grain continues to impress with its accuracy. However, if I had to pick a "go-to" round out of this gun, it'd be the Hornady Critical Defense, which shot to the sights and shot almost as good groups as the DT with significantly less felt recoil.

Chuck Haggard
12-26-2013, 09:04 PM
The non +P Critical Defense is shooting to the sights?

jetfire
12-27-2013, 03:44 AM
The non +P Critical Defense is shooting to the sights?

This was the +P stuff, actually.

FotoTomas
12-27-2013, 12:50 PM
In my limited experience over the last 40+ years I have never had a stock semi-auto shoot more accurately than my stock revolvers. I am NOT talking about target/competition guns that have been tweeked. And I will stipulate I have never owned or messed with a SIG P210.

Today my handgun battery is populated with a limited selection of stock pistols and revolvers all shooting bullets of .355 to .358 inch diameter. The revolvers still rule in the accuracy department.

jetfire
02-07-2014, 07:24 PM
More testing! These are all groups fired from a 4.2 inch GP100 Match champion.

All distances are 20 yards.

2129

Group 1: Magtech 158 grain LRN, 1.815 inches.

2130

Group 2: Hornady Critical Defense 110 grain +P, 1.875 inches.

2131

Group 3: Double Tap 158 grain LSWC, 1.039 inches. Note on Group 3, it is only five shots because I had a light primer hit on one of the rounds in the cylinder. This was a recurring issue, as I had several rounds of Double Tap that wouldn't go off in any of the four test guns (2 GP100s and 2 Security Sixes). Meanwhile, the guns would crack Magtech primers all day long.

I do like shooting these wheelguns for accuracy - the fact that a factory GP100 will shoot right alongside a custom 1911 that cost three times as much makes me giggle a bit.

TheTrevor
02-07-2014, 07:42 PM
Love those paper-puncher holes you get from the LSWC slugs.

jetfire
02-07-2014, 07:46 PM
Me too. I wish the round had a little better QC; or that Federal would make their awesome LSCWHP available on the reg.

TheTrevor
02-07-2014, 07:57 PM
Me too. I wish the round had a little better QC; or that Federal would make their awesome LSCWHP available on the reg.

Any reason you don't load your own in your (heh) copious spare time? I'm right at the point where reloading is starting to make more sense than getting Freedom Munitions shipments every other week, and I keep looking at the LSWCs on offer at Midway (http://www.midwayusa.com/product/838877/meister-hard-cast-bullets-40-s-and-w-10mm-auto-401-diameter-175-grain-lead-semi-wadcutter-box-of-500?cm_vc=ProductFinding) and thinking those would be great for range and/or USPSA shooting.

jetfire
02-07-2014, 08:26 PM
Any reason you don't load your own in your (heh) copious spare time? I'm right at the point where reloading is starting to make more sense than getting Freedom Munitions shipments every other week, and I keep looking at the LSWCs on offer at Midway (http://www.midwayusa.com/product/838877/meister-hard-cast-bullets-40-s-and-w-10mm-auto-401-diameter-175-grain-lead-semi-wadcutter-box-of-500?cm_vc=ProductFinding) and thinking those would be great for range and/or USPSA shooting.

I was no joke just pricing a Dillon 550 today. The thing about shooting .38 is that most factory ammo isn't "quite right" so it's either too hot or too cold. There are a lot of .38 loads that make a 115 power factor, and a lot of .357 loads that make a 199 power factor. What I want is a 158 grain LRN at 840 FPS.

I did just order a chrono, so I know that the press isn't far behind.

TheTrevor
02-07-2014, 08:37 PM
Since I had multiple tabs open on it anyway... the Hodgdon load data site says you have a significant number of powder options to make a load to those specs, which bodes well for you being able to get your hands on one of those powders. By preference I'd start with Titegroup (assuming you can get some) since 840fps would be right in the middle of its range.

I'm pretty sure I'm going to be ordering the Hornady LnL for my own use. There are many aspects of its design that appeal to my inner engineering geek, and it's definitely less expensive than the Dillon options. I also like the ability to add power case feeder, bullet feeder, and monitoring computer later on.

jetfire
02-08-2014, 03:52 AM
I thought about going the non-Dillon route until a good friend of mine told me to "just buy the right press once."

JAD
02-08-2014, 06:25 AM
.38 special is the second easiest and by far the cheapest cartridge to reload, too. I am both an inner and outer engineering geek, but reloading presses are blue.

rsa-otc
02-08-2014, 08:11 AM
I will only recommend Dillon because of my positive experience with their no BS lifetime warranty. Both times all I had to do was email them saying that a part was broken or not working right and with no further proof other than my say so the replacement part was in my mailbox. No pictures, no RMA, arguments, nothing. Just a response saying that they were sorry for my inconvenience and the replacement part is on its way. This included a wonky 25 year old powder measure. No other customer service experience compares.

BN
02-08-2014, 12:56 PM
, but reloading presses are blue.

True. Customer service is excellent.

NETim
02-08-2014, 03:01 PM
Dillon's always treated me well plus their presses work very well.

m91196
02-08-2014, 03:31 PM
Dillon is the only answer.

SGT_Calle
02-08-2014, 03:59 PM
I spent some time on the range today getting to know my 686SSR better since the weather was exceptionally nice and the kids were out with grandma. I really haven't shot it much other than to familiarize myself with revolvers and to qualify for work (very basic SC armed security qualification). I realized today after 150 rounds of just recreational plinking that I really thoroughly enjoy shooting this revolver.

jetfire
02-08-2014, 04:24 PM
Wheelguns are like Subaru Foresters. People who have them "get it."

1slow
02-08-2014, 10:57 PM
Bought a Dillon 350, 650,1050s.
If you want progressive reloading buy Dillon. Buy once cry once. I've had my 1050 since they cost $1159 or so. Great investment. Also buy the primer tube filler.

Rich
02-10-2014, 03:12 PM
I started with S&W revolvers JKL and then on to the 1911 and TDA

I haven't found a service pistol that was as accurate as service revolver.

I took a chance and bought 2 GP100 a 3inch and 6inch. both were tack drivers .

For SD I like the GP100 3inch the best of all. carried AIWB

I could hold still that heavy revolver and yank the trigger fast and still have a tight group at 7y using 38spl+P or 110 357magnums.

Savage Hands
02-10-2014, 06:47 PM
Just ordered my first revolver today, just a plain 442 and I'll have a CT 405 on the way soon.

NETim
02-10-2014, 07:42 PM
Just ordered my first revolver today, just a plain 442 and I'll have a CT 405 on the way soon.

The 442 will teach you to yank the trigger properly.

Savage Hands
02-10-2014, 07:59 PM
The 442 will teach you to yank the trigger properly.

Lol