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    Quote Originally Posted by tpd223 View Post
    Several highway patrols have had issues with the various .357Sig service pistols.

    While I would be surprised to see this happen, it would be a smart move on their part.
    What kind of issues? Didn't North Carolina also change, recently?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sotex View Post
    During the transition period, Mas Ayoob wrote about a shooting incident where an older trooper with a P220 .45 and a new guy with a new .357 engaged a guy in a semi, with the .357 rounds penetrating the cab and ending the encounter. I don't recall hearing of any testing against semi cab bodies.
    I heard about that OIS from several sources. That the rookie tagged the bad guy with the .357 suddenly made it all magical for some folks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gtmtnbiker98 View Post
    What kind of issues? Didn't North Carolina also change, recently?
    Parts breaking, guns having reliability issues, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sotex View Post
    During the transition period, Mas Ayoob wrote about a shooting incident where an older trooper with a P220 .45 and a new guy with a new .357 engaged a guy in a semi, with the .357 rounds penetrating the cab and ending the encounter. I don't recall hearing of any testing against semi cab bodies.
    That may have been why he was talking about. I have no vested interest in any caliber wars in any direction and was just passing along an anecdote for what it was worth, which I acknowledged at the outset was not much.

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    While I was at SIG, Texas DPS was always one of the shining stars in the customer pantheon. They shot a lot of people and kept really good records. Individual spectacular incidents notwithstanding, they were firing fewer rounds per OIS to end fights with the 357 than they did with either their previous 9mm or .45 guns.

    I'm not aware of any spectacular failure of the 357 in DPS hands.

    However:

    1. someone at Texas DPS clearly has an interest in getting M&Ps into the hands of their LEOs
    2. the M&P357 has proven to have similar durability and reliability issues as most non-SIG 357 pistols
    3. the cost of 357 SIG ammunition continues to climb at a much greater rate than more common calibers; fewer agencies use it each year which means there's less demand which means costs climb which mean fewer agencies use it... and so on and so on


    If someone told me that #3 was the sole and entire reason for the switch, I'd believe it. Other big agencies are considering the same thing presently even though they've been incredibly happy with the cartridge's performance in actual shootings.

    Even though it's not what I carry myself, I think you'd be hard pressed to criticize any agency for deciding upon 124gr +p Gold Dot as duty ammunition. Its track record with NYPD alone should be enough to make folks realize it works very well under a wide array of shooting conditions.

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    I have never had a problem shooting a car with a 9mm pistol but that was in Iraq. With Bonded ammo the ammo should be similar and depending on the round they were using.

    I hope they stick with their Sig P226 because of what people have said about the 9mm M&Ps.

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    I'm hearing scuttlebutt that the Georgia DPS considering dropping .45 GAP and going to 9mm. I also very recently heard similar that a federal agency was considering dropping .40SW in favor of 9mm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jlw View Post
    I'm hearing scuttlebutt that the Georgia DPS considering dropping .45 GAP and going to 9mm.
    Same sized gun, almost twice as much ammo on board, less recoil, ammo half the price...... Why wouldn't they?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jlw View Post
    I'm hearing scuttlebutt that the Georgia DPS considering dropping .45 GAP and going to 9mm.
    That would more than make up for Haraise not wearing a watch. Well, almost...

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    Quote Originally Posted by tpd223 View Post
    Same sized gun, almost twice as much ammo on board, less recoil, ammo half the price...... Why wouldn't they?
    Because it would negatively impact my source of GAP ammo...

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