Surefire X-300 vs. X-300 Ultra

[Steve S.]

You NEED to contact them though with the problem and allow them to make it right. Threads like this cost people business, let us know how they handle it.


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Absolutely true. Unfortunately, it's rarely the case that a customer doesn't take an issue to the Internet. In a way, it's good for consumers... but it's terrible on the business being discussed. A few bad reports online can ruin a company.

I've been able to reach the trigger on a holstered gun with every light bearing holster I've used, including Ravens and Safariland 6360's. All were for an M&Pf or G17 with X300.

I'm not sure it's possible to make a hole big enough to fit a light through that would keep a finger out.

There's a difference between being able to force a finger in and engage the trigger - since this wouldn't realistically happen on a draw. If the channel is wider as the OP has said than his X300 holsters by the same makers, than a mistake was made.

It's a fine line between clearing enough material to get a full firing grip (especially on undercut trigger guards) without clearing so much that a finger can engage the trigger.

It you can get a finger in without uncomfortably prying apart the mouth of a Kydex holster - then contact the maker. Unless you possess fingers the size of a toddler, something is wrong. Remember, most Kydex holsters are hand made and subject to human error. Right now, consistency and quality is what separates the 9 million Kydex makers that have come about recently.

As someone who runs a custom shop and works hard to maintain a high reputation of it - I'd want to know. Both the companies you listed are extremely reputable and would want the opportunity to take care of you. Safariland invented the Kydex holster, and RCS took the Kydex Custom Shop to new heights. I'd let them both know immediately about your issue.

[pr1042]

I've been able to reach the trigger on a holstered gun with every light bearing holster I've used, including Ravens and Safariland 6360's. All were for an M&Pf or G17 with X300.

I'm not sure it's possible to make a hole big enough to fit a light through that would keep a finger out.

Same here on a Raven holster and Safariland 6390/6379 for holsters made for X300 Ultra. It's a known issue for Safariland

[HCM]

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To the OP's question... I believe Surefire just increased their advertised lumen ratings on the X300 Standard when the Ultra came out. I've always heard Surefire under rated their Lumens. The newer X300s seem the same as the older ones. I always felt like the X300 was more lumens than originally advertised when compared to other WMLs.

But I'm not a "flashlight head"... so you might want to check the candle power forum to verify.

10-4 thank you/

[theJanitor]

This is a Raven built for a 1911, dawson rail, x300u. it's almost impossible for me to stick my index finger in far enough to reach any part of the trigger. I know the gap looks big, but it's really not.

[justintime]

If the holsters are made for the x300u and allow you to get on the trigger, that's a major red neon trumpets blaring sign that its the holsters fault, not the light. As mentioned I'm going to keep quiet after this one post since we're talking about specific companies that aren't here to respond. You NEED to contact them though with the problem and allow them to make it right. Threads like this cost people business, let us know how they handle it.


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Yea I was hesitant to list any names but since I have contacted bravo a few times and its been months while I still have an unsafe holster. again not sure its a holster issue as much of a light. my norm x300 holsters do the same thing just not as bad. Armadillo I posted because they are why I think it's a light fault nothing more. The whole x300 channel on that holster makes it very big and round but it fits tight. I can easily pull the trigger without even leveraging my finger against the ridge. I will contact them and see if it is defective... It just so happens to have the exact same basic opening dimensions as my other holsters.

[justintime]

Yea I was hesitant to list any names but since I have contacted bravo a few times and its been months while I still have an unsafe holster. again not sure its a holster issue as much of a light. my norm x300 holsters do the same thing just not as bad. Armadillo I posted because they are why I think it's a light fault nothing more. While the opening of the armadillo is the same size... it covers the trigger on the sides deeper so from a holstered draw it would be impossible to have a ND unless there was some crazy debri. in order for the concept to work however it shows just how wide the channel has to be for the x300u. im really not trying to bash the armadillo holster lol. I think its much safer than my bravo expecially since its iwb. The whole x300 channel on that holster makes it very big and round but it fits tight..

On the bravo I duck and brush through thick brush A alot and the trigger just seems way to exposed. Even with the normal x300 I feel iffy owb with the gaps.

[justintime]

I've been able to reach the trigger on a holstered gun with every light bearing holster I've used, including Ravens and Safariland 6360's. All were for an M&Pf or G17 with X300.

I'm not sure it's possible to make a hole big enough to fit a light through that would keep a finger out.

Same.. Seems like there should be a solution to it :/ it does make me feel better when worn iwb. I'm much more worries about debri than my finger getting on the trigger.

[Steve S.]

I'm sorry, but this holster needs redone. You'll be doing the favor by contacting them. The X300U doesn't need a larger channel than the X300 - is the same width.

These are the only X300U pics I have on hand, but as you can see - there's no reason to have a wide channel - even with the DG Switch. The channel needs to be just as wide as the light body and hug tight. The mouth also has to be cut and finished properly in conjunction for everything to be kosher.

The 1911 holster above is a good example, especially considering how thin the 1911 trigger guard is.

I've never heard of a Safariland issue with the X300U. Not saying its untrue - but if there's a link I'd like to see it.

[JMS]

It's been hashed out on LF quite a bit, in both holster-specific and light-specific threads. They can be found within the Stud Board, First Line Gear, and Low Light subforums.

The 300U will fit SF holsters for the 300, but the extra length of the 300U head CAN (not WILL) result in the thing bumping into the disc at the bottom of the light channel, perhaps making the gun stand apart of retaining. As that disc is only held in by friction, it's easily removed and the problem solved. If one is worried about losing that little extra layer of protection for the light's lens, one should replace the holster or stick with the regular 300.

They're responding well to the introduction of the300U, but if you use a DG switch that's been out for, like, CENTURIES, it's still about 50/50 that one'll have to dremel or heat-gun the stinking light channel so that the bloody thing fits, regardless of whether it's a 300 or 300U.

[Steve S.]

It's been hashed out on LF quite a bit, in both holster-specific and light-specific threads. They can be found within the Stud Board, First Line Gear, and Low Light subforums.

The 300U will fit SF holsters for the 300, but the extra length of the 300U head CAN (not WILL) result in the thing bumping into the disc at the bottom of the light channel, perhaps making the gun stand apart of retaining. As that disc is only held in by friction, it's easily removed and the problem solved. If one is worried about losing that little extra layer of protection for the light's lens, one should replace the holster or stick with the regular 300.

They're responding well to the introduction of the300U, but if you use a DG switch that's been out for, like, CENTURIES, it's still about 50/50 that one'll have to dremel or heat-gun the stinking light channel so that the bloody thing fits, regardless of whether it's a 300 or 300U.

Thanks for the solid info. Time to dig up the Light Fighter login info.

The part about the DG switch is strange, but just goes to show that Kydex holsters are generally handmade and subject to human error - even those made by the big companies.