Had one of the early ones, painful. Just picked up a local TLE, added the Kimber “core” grips and it changed the gun!! Way more comfortable to shoot. Just put on some of the new Hogue Bantams, smaller with nice palm swells, still allows “3 finger grip” can’t wait ti try it with these. The sights are great, accurate, nice trigger pull. Just needs an Ameriglo like front!!