I don't, Cory, but we have enough lawyers here at P-F to staff a good size law firm. Perhaps they can check the law and caselaw in Michigan in that respect, especially from the mandated reporter angle.
I don't, Cory, but we have enough lawyers here at P-F to staff a good size law firm. Perhaps they can check the law and caselaw in Michigan in that respect, especially from the mandated reporter angle.
This kid had to fall through a lot of cracks to be able to do what he did, but providing a clearly disturbed minor with access to a firearm is a level of negligence bordering on recklessness. I tend to think that this would have been better handled as a civil matter, but I'm fine with a criminal conviction if the appeals process determines that the law was properly applied.
"The older I get, the more I think that just staying home and drinking the good stuff by yourself is way underrated as a healthy practice." - Totem Polar
"An entire worldview devoted to being offside." - feudist
That's how totality of the circumstances work. We all swerve in our lane sometimes but we aren't all drunk driving. That doesn't mean swerving in a lane isn't a valid step toward suspecting DUI. It's just not proof in and of itself, but you don't have to then ignore it.
Defense attorneys take the approach you just did. They try to isolate a given piece of evidence, argue that there's plenty of innocent explanations for it when you look at it in a vacuum, and then repeat over and over. Their hope is you do look at each thing in a vacuum and write it off. The prosecutor's job is to remind you it didn't happen in a vacuum, to look at the entire body of evidence, and then see if all those little things add up to something bigger.
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Isn’t one of the general standards for involuntary manslaughter (obviously different jurisdictions have their own nuances) that you did something that wasn’t necessarily unlawful but you did it in a negligent or reckless manner and, while you didn’t mean for anyone to die, someone died? From what I’ve seen described here, as I haven’t followed the case myself, it sounds like the parents’ actions meet that definition. They ignored their son’s violent ideations and other mental health issues and allowed him easy access to their firearms. In and of themselves those aren’t unlawful actions but, when taken in the totality of the circumstances here, sure seem reckless and negligent to me. Those actions played a role in the death of innocent people.
So the parents of all these run amuck kids are now liable. Awesome. Bring some accountability to the table.
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The lunatics are running the asylum
"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." - Thomas Jefferson, Virginia Constitution, Draft 1, 1776
Seems irrelevant giving the legal and moral differences between adults and children, as well as the obvious and distinct difference between a gov't agency and a parental relationship.
I also rather doubt parole boards are giving out guns to parolees, denying them medical care, etc. Parolees are, quite the opposite, given job training, half way houses, the ongoing threat of parole/probation visits in an attempt to limit their access to firearms, etc.
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That’s a fair point of view with context shared I’m not familiar with as far as the first paragraph.
In the second paragraph I had some anecdotes about “tribalistic” mentalities in one of my replies. But, I got a few sentences in and was like “Is this relevant?”. I can understand and honestly am partially persuaded. My gut still is fearful of how this will be weaponized, but I’m hopeful. I’m hopeful you’re right and I wish you would be right. I have doubts, but we’ll see.
I’m glad your here BehindBlueI’s - you add a lot and I appreciate it.
Have a great evening.
God Bless,
Brandon