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    Safety Warning for Berger 77 grain OTM Tactical Ammunition: Pressure Testing Update

    Safety Warning for Berger 77 grain OTM Tactical Ammunition: Pressure Testing Update

    This is a safety warning pertaining to Berger’s factory loaded ammunition.

    Berger 223 Remington

    77 grain OTM Tactical

    Part # 65-23030

    Lot # P002745-1







    While firing this ammunition from one of my Krieger barreled, semi-automatic, precision AR-15s, I experienced an uncharacteristic amount of recoil and muzzle blast. This occurred with the second round fired from the magazine and there were two bullet holes in the target, so there was no type of bore obstruction involved. (This AR-15 has functioned flawlessly for over one thousand rounds and has produced ½ MOA 10-shot groups at 100 yards.)

    The action failed to cycle after firing this second round from the magazine and the trigger was dead. No amount pulling/pounding on the charging handle was able to free-up the bolt carrier group. As stated above, there were two bullet holes in the target so there was no type of bore instruction involved.

    At home, I had to use a mallet and a Delrin rod to pound the bolt, carrier and case out of the barrel extension/upper receiver. Prior to pounding out the bolt carrier group, I took a quick look in the bore with a cheap borescope. It was clearly visible that the brass case (Lapua) was still tightly sealed to the walls of the chamber.







    Upon examining the spent case, it was clearly visible that the primer pocket was greatly expanded and there was a large amount of ejector and extractor brass-flow. The primer fell out of the bolt face when the case was removed with the pounding-out of the bolt carrier group.















    There was a large “belt” of expanded brass just above the extractor groove. This belt had a diameter of 0.414” at the at the broadest section. The case was split on either side of the extractor brass flow. The case rim was split at the ejector brass flow.











    This Krieger barrel has a 223 Remington chamber with a 1:9" twist. This barrel was purchased directly from Krieger Barrels, Inc. and was chambered by them. I've fired over a thousand trouble-free rounds through this barrel. The box label for this Berger ammunition clearly states that this is 223 Remington ammunition.

    Using a bullet pulled from this lot of ammunition, I determined the cartridge overall length that would be necessary for the bullet to be seated to the lands of this barrel. That distance was 2.322" and since the factory loaded ammunition was loaded to magazine length, the bullet was nowhere near the lands of my barrel.







    Shortly before shooting this Berger factory loaded ammunition, I fired a 10-shot group of factory loaded Sierra Prairie Enemy 55 grain BlitzKings. That group had an extreme spread of 0.72 MOA.











    The bolt (the image is flipped)





    The blown case has a weight of 99.0 grains. The neck diameter of this case is 0.254”. The diameter of the “belt” above the extractor groove is 0.414” at the broadest section.

    The diameter of the case rim across the extractor and ejector brass flow is 0.423” and the diameter of the case rim rotated to 90 degrees of that position is 0.382”. The primer pocket has a diameter of approximately 0.222” at the broadest section.

    I pulled-down 20 of the unfired cartridges from this lot of ammunition. Here’s the compiled data.







    Pulled-down powder charge weights . . .





    I pulled-down a couple more rounds after compiling the above data and found a round with a charge of 23.6 grains. The puts the powder charge variation at 1.8 grains.






    This ammunition is a heavily compressed load, so bullet set-back is highly improbable. Since it was a compressed load, I was unable to use my custom K&M compression gauge to obtain an accurate measure of neck tension, however, it required quite a bit of force to pull the bullets from the cases using a press-mounted, collet bullet-puller. Also, using the custom K&M compression gauge, I applied 90 pounds of force to one of the factory-loaded cartridges that had a cartridge overall length of 2.253". After applying the 90 pounds of force, I again measured the COAL. It was still 2.253".







    Pulled-down powder . . .

    28.6 grains of this pulled-down powder filled a randomly selected pulled-down case to the case mouth. The longest cartridge overall length that I measured from this lot of factory loaded ammunition was 2.262". I was able to load 26.0 grains of the pulled-down powder into a pulled-down case and seat a pulled-down bullet to a cartridge overall length of 2.262".


    Pulled-down case weights . . .





    The case weights past the plus one standard deviation are the heaviest Lapua Match cases that I've ever seen. (Legacy"standard" Lapua cases did weigh more.)




    From Berger . . .

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    Berger has reached out to me and offered to replace this ammunition. They also said ".We have had a couple of these reports. But it dosent seem an issue with all of this ammunition."

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    Berger is sending me a call-tag for the unfired rounds. Berger also stated, "there has been a change in this load between the lot that you have and the lot that we are sending you. The new load was developed in a standard SAAMI 223 Remington chamber."

    (I decided to keep this lot of ammunition and considered having it pressure tested.)

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    Berger/Mr Praslick did eventually offer to pay for any damage to my rifle, but as I said in my last email to him:

    "I’m not looking for compensation from you/Berger, but I do appreciate the fact that you are the first person from your company that has had enough integrity to express a concern for my rifle. I’m just looking for the truth of what happened with your ammunition in my rifle."

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    The last email that I sent to Mr Praslick of Berger . . .

    “Dear Mr Praslick,

    I assume that you’ve seen the pictures of the blown case that I’ve posted on-line, but on the off-chance that you haven’t, here’s a few of them.















    The case head of the blown case flowed into the recess in the barrel extension between the barrel and the bolt. Here’s a cutaway picture of an AR-15 chamber for comparison.







    Notice how the brass flow of the blown case matches the recess in between the barrel and the bolt. It would have taken a chamber pressure of over 70,000 PSI to cause that kind of deformation.

    The nominal case-head/web diameter of the Lapua brass from this lot of ammunition is 0.3750”. The diameter just above the extractor groove for the blown case is 0.414”. That’s an expansion of 0.039”. That didn’t happen because of a mis-matched pressure curve at the gas-port.

    The average rim diameter for the brass from this lot of ammunition is 0.376”. The diameter of the case rim of the blown case is 0.423” at the broadest diameter. That’s an expansion of 0.047” and that didn’t happen because of a high gas-port pressure.

    The nominal diameter of the primer pockets for the brass from this lot of ammunition is 0.173”. The primer pocket of the blown case has a diameter of 0.222” at the broadest diameter. That’s an expansion of 0.049” and that didn’t happen because of a progressive propellent producing a larger volume of gas “under the curve” at a different rate than standard powders.

    The graph below shows the weights of the Lapua cases from 20 rounds of this ammunition plus the case that blew-out.







    Notice the case weights of 98.5 grains and 99.0 grains at the far right of the graph. Those are the heaviest Lapua Match cases that I’ve ever seen and I’ve been using 223 Remington Lapua Match brass since it first became available on the commercial market. The 99.0 grain case is the one that blew-out in my rifle.

    The next graph shows the weights of powder charges from pulled-down rounds.







    That’s a powder charge variation of 1.8 grains. You and I both know that is abysmal quality-control for “match grade” ammunition with a price tag of over $1.60 per round. More importantly, the heaviest charge of 23.6 grains is 1.2 grains heavier than the mean powder charge of 22.4 grains. I doubt that you would have let your soldiers in the AMU shoot an important match with ammunition that had such poor quality-control.

    I’m not looking for compensation from you/Berger, but I do appreciate the fact that you are the first person from your company that has had enough integrity to express a concern for my rifle. I’m just looking for the truth of what happened with your ammunition in my rifle.

    Why don’t you guys give this a try. Find 10 cases of the Lapua Match brass that weigh 99.0 grains. Charge those cases with 23.6 grains of the same lot of powder that was used in this ammunition. Seat your 77 grain OTM bullet to a length of 2.254” and fire those rounds in a new, minimum spec, SAAMI 223 Remington barrel and let me know what the pressures were. (My Krieger barrel has a true 223 Remington chamber, not a 223 Wylde chamber that was designed to handle NATO pressure ammunition.)

    Have a good evening,”

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    I was hoping that Mr Praslick was going to do the right thing and provide us all some transparency on this issue. Alas, I haven’t heard a single word from him after I sent the above email.

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    Berger did eventually issue a "safety notice" for this ammo, but not until after I informed them that I was not going to return the defective ammo. That was four weeks after I informed them of the issue.

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    Months after this event occurred, Berger delivered 5 new boxes of this ammunition to my front porch while I was at work. It looks like Berger is just going to stick with their BS story about semi-automatic cycling issues.

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    Another member of the AR-15 community has reported the same type of blow-out with this Berger ammunition as I did, however, he was using his chronograph at the time of the blow-out.


    https://www.snipershide.com/shooting.../post-10389526


    Pics from his post shown below. He states he was using an 18” barreled AR-15.














    An average velocity of 2885 FPS from an 18” barrel!! Two Thousand Eight Hundred Eighty-Five Feet Per Second from an 18" barrel.

    The Berger box lists this ammunition as having having a muzzle velocity of 2750 FPS fired from a 20" barrel. So that 2885 FPS is 135 FPS FASTER THAN BERGER'S OWN STATED VELOCITY FROM A BARREL THAT IS TWO INCHES SHORTER.

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    Pressure Testing Update

    We’ll never know what the powder charge weight was for the factory loaded round of Berger 77 grain OTM ammunition that blew-out in my AR-15. We do know for a fact that the weight of the case that blew-out was 99.0 grains. We can also be fairly certain that the weight of the bullet in that round was 77.0 grains, since all of the bullets that I pulled-down from that same lot of ammunition weighed 77.0 grains. We also know that primers from pulled-down rounds in that lot of ammunition had a nominal weight of 3.7 grains.

    In addition, we know that Berger’s abysmal quality control resulted in powder charges for the sample of rounds that I pulled-down to range from 21.8 grains to 23.6 grains for this so-called “match grade” ammunition. That’s a spread of 1.8 grains in the powder charge and it’s quite likely that a larger sample size would have detected an even greater spread.





    The mean powder charge weight for the small sample that I weighed was 22.41 grains. The standard deviation was 0.447 grains. The mean powder charge weight plus three standard deviations was 23.75 grains.


    The pressure testing was conducted in the ballistic lab of one of the leading ammunition manufacturers in the United States. A 24” SAAMI spec 223 Remington pressure and velocity test barrel was used with a PCB conformal pressure sensor. The system was calibrated with SAAMI reference ammunition and additionally the pressure sensor was calibrated to unfired Lapua cases pulled-down from the Berger ammunition.

    The SAAMI specification for the maximum average pressure for the 223 Remington cartridge is 55,000 PSI. Ten rounds of the Berger factory loaded 77 grain OTM ammunition were fired from the 223 Remington pressure test barrel. Obviously, we don’t know what the powder charges were for those ten rounds.

    You may remember that in the last email that I sent to Mr Praslick (the one that he didn’t even have the common courtesy to reply to) I stated that it would have taken a pressure of over 70,000 PSI to cause such deformities to the cartridge case when fired from an AR-15. The first shot fired from the pressure test barrel had a pressure of 77,919 PSI. Shot #8 had a pressure of 78,369 PSI. That’s 23,369 PSI higher than the SAAMI MAP specification for the 223 Remington cartridge.

    The data for all ten shots is summarized in the table below. This data shows that Berger failed miserably in their due diligence in developing and manufacturing this load and releasing this dangerous product for sale to the public.

    The data also makes it painfully obvious that this was not a “cycling” issue for semi-automatic AR-15s and that Berger’s safety notice (the one that they didn’t even issue until a month after I informed them of this safety issue and that they didn’t issue until after I had notified them that I was not going to be returning the defective ammunition to them) claiming that this ammunition “may cause function/ignition issues with AR-style gas operating platforms. Bolt action rifles are not affected” was just a whitewashing of their lack of transparency in this matter.

    Aside from the huge safety issue with this ammunition, the velocities from the test barrel had an extreme spread of 221 FPS with a standard deviation of 74 FPS. That is beyond pathetic for so-called “match grade” ammunition that cost $1.60 per round.





    TTP = time to peak pressure

    AT = time to the bullet exiting the muzzle


    As I mentioned earlier, a powder charge weight of 23.6 grains was found in the small sample of rounds that I pulled-down and it’s likely that a heavier charge would have been found with a larger sample size. The average powder charge weight plus three standard deviations was 23.75 grains.

    For additional testing I pulled-down several more rounds from this lot of the Berger factory loaded ammunition and re-charged those rounds with a powder charge weight of 23.7 grains of the pulled-down powder. The powder was dispensed using an RCBS Match Master powder dispenser. The Match Master dispenser has an advertised accuracy of 0.04 grains. The heaviest Lapua case (accounting for the weight of the primer) of these rounds weighed 97.0 grains.

    I seated virgin Berger 77 grain OTM bullets (all of which weighed 77.0 grains) in the re-charged cases to a nominal COAL of 2.260” using a Forster Co-Ax press. Five of these re-charged rounds were fired from the same pressure test barrel described above.

    Shot #2 had a pressure of 81,769 PSI. Shot #4 had a pressure of 83,544 PSI with a velocity of 3024 FPS. The results are summarized in the table below.









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    That pressure data is nuts. I can't believe they didn't react more strongly to this problem. It discourages me from purchasing any Berger products at all, honestly.

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    Thanks for another excellent and detailed post @Molon. This is yet another example of why companies like Berger and Norma (who made their names by producing high quality bullets) should probably stay out of the ammunition business.
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    Berger did eventually issue a "safety notice" for this ammo, but not until after I informed them that I was not going to return the defective ammo. That was four weeks after I informed them of the issue. The safety notice stated that this ammunition "may cause function/ignition issues with AR-style gas operating platforms" and that "bolt action rifles are not affected".


    https://bergerbullets.com/berger-iss...tion-lot-2745/


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    Quote Originally Posted by Molon View Post
    Berger did eventually issue a "safety notice" for this ammo, but not until after I informed them that I was not going to return the defective ammo. That was four weeks after I informed them of the issue. The safety notice stated that this ammunition "may cause function/ignition issues with AR-style gas operating platforms" and that "bolt action rifles are not affected".


    https://bergerbullets.com/berger-iss...tion-lot-2745/


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    Did they at least thank you and offer some free stuff?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clusterfrack View Post
    Thanks for another excellent and detailed post @Molon. This is yet another example of why companies like Berger and Norma (who made their names by producing high quality bullets) should probably stay out of the ammunition business.
    Yup, a bullet manufacturer wakes up one morning and thinks that they are an ammunition manufacturer and then fails to do their due diligence before releasing an unsafe produce for sale to the public. And then fails to provide any transparency on the problem and instead fabricates a patently false narrative that it's just a "cycling issue" for semi-automatic rifles.

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    Made in house?

    I wonder if Berger loads this ammo in house or contracts with another manufacturer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Molon View Post
    Berger did eventually issue a "safety notice" for this ammo, but not until after I informed them that I was not going to return the defective ammo. That was four weeks after I informed them of the issue. The safety notice stated that this ammunition "may cause function/ignition issues with AR-style gas operating platforms" and that "bolt action rifles are not affected".


    https://bergerbullets.com/berger-iss...tion-lot-2745/


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    I know you can't identify powder by appearance, but what is it physically? A large coarse granulation that won't measure precisely?

    Pressure of the average charge would be instructive, your high load is "only" 5.4% over the mean. I think even the average load was excessive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Watson View Post
    I know you can't identify powder by appearance, but what is it physically? A large coarse granulation that won't measure precisely?
    No. It was a short-cut extruded powder. The individual red squares in the grid are 1/10th of an inch.





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