Let's talk PDW's

[Casual Friday]

7.5" 300BLK barrel ordered.

I hate you all.

[Mike C]

7.5" 300BLK barrel ordered.

I hate you all.

I blame GJM.

[Maple Syrup Actual]

Which shotgun goes with goat boots?

I think this must REALLY depend on your Google search history.

[OlongJohnson]

Which shotgun goes with goat boots?

That probably depends on whether you mean the shaggy hairy boots or the demon hoof boots that were shown earlier.

[MistWolf]

I think this must REALLY depend on your Google search history.

Just curious which is your goat to shotgun

[KevinB]

I'm honestly befuddled by the Mini shotguns - maybe because I always look at those as a field expedient breacher and that's about it.

Biggest issue I have with ANY shotgun is the liability aspect if not using slug. Perhaps it comes back to years ago seeing what an errant pellet can do to a third party.
Then if you are using slugs - why not go for easier reload with less recoil and more accuracy?

I guess if my plan was to do smash and grabs and shoot someone in the face via a messenger bag, that would work --but I don't understand for any legitimate purpose why one would chose it given the downsides to them.

[Maple Syrup Actual]

I have honestly felt similarly until fairly recently; guys like @TCinVA have convinced me of the utility of the shotgun. I've done a couple of shotgun classes but nothing with anyone well-known so I don't defer to that, particularly.

The only real appeal to me is that you get really extremely proven lethality in a compact package and I think the downsides are manageable only because my personal risk profile is so low, I think the only realistic threats are going to be up close, strongarm robbery kinds of events. Or motel door-kick invasions to get whatever I brought in from the car, and I just want that pile 'em in the doorway gun, and the only advantage of the shorty would just be that I could have that close quarters fight stopper at hand without ever carrying baggage that gives away the presence of a long gun.

In general I much prefer rifles.

[GJM]

If I wanted to fire one round, and make it decisive, it would be 12 gauge buck or a slug.

If I wanted to fire a handful of rounds, it may or may not be with a shotgun.

If I wanted to fire an unknown number of rounds at an unknown distance, it would not be with a shotgun.

[HCM]

They’d be awesome, except...

Anything under 26” in length would be covered under the NFA here as an AOW (any other weapon). The 14” “not a shotgun” shotguns aren’t NFA because they are longer than 26”, but if one carries them “concealed” then they become AOWs by magic or osmosis or something.

Also, quite a few states, including the one I’m in right now, have laws against carrying loaded shotguns or rifles on your person or in a vehicle (mostly anti-poaching derived). So, the gun would have to start a fight (from a vehicle at least) unloaded. The advantage of a PDW “pistol” is that it is covered by the typical concealed carry permit, thus allowed to be carried concealed and loaded.

If I could freely travel around with a loaded Tac-13 w/folding brace attached without running afoul of NFA or local regs, there would be no question what I would have on my person. A shotgun is so vastly superior for short distance anti-personnel things I would always opt shotgun.

As it is my current “travel long gun” is a 12-gauge break action single shot, shortened to 19” and measures just over 30” assembled. With Flite Control buck it keeps all 8-pellets in a B8 out to 20y making it minute of hotel room accurate no problem. But, alas, I carry it broken down and stashed in a duffel. I doubt I’ll have time in my life to assemble it if a fight starts in/around the vehicle.

The TAC-14s etc don’t become AOWs if you conceal them. Legally they are “other firearms” under U.S. federal law by virtue of 1) not having a stock, meaning they aren’t “shotguns” SBS or otherwise, and 2) not “concealable” by ATF definition since they are over 26” which, as you said in your other post is “the magic number” at which ATF delineates “concealable.” AOWs by definition are “concealable” but in legal speak that means 26” or less OAL not the normal definition.

State and local definitions may vary...

[HeavyDuty]

The TAC-14s etc don’t become AOWs if you conceal them. Legally they are “other firearms” under U.S. federal law by virtue of 1) not having a stock, meaning they aren’t “shotguns” SBS or otherwise, and 2) not “concealable” by ATF definition since they are over 26” which, as you said in your other post is “the magic number” at which ATF delineates “concealable.” AOWs by definition are “concealable” but in legal speak that means 26” or less OAL not the normal definition.

State and local definitions may vary...

This is IL. When you assume the worst, you will rarely be far off.