Mo. sheriff investigates death of man in gun class

[Savage Hands]

I agree...

[David]

I think that the need for positive weapon retention could be articulated verbally and demonstrated appropriately with a Blue Gun without asking Darwin to intervene......

Yeah but that would make way too much sense and it wouldn't look "shockingly tacticool" as the instructor displays his awe-inspiring fu manoeuvrings.

[Kyle Reese]

If I was the instructor in the aforementioned class, I'd hate to have to explain my "tacti-cool" actions to _________ (police, NOK of person in class injured or killed as a result of negligence, attorneys, etc) if they resulted in property damage, bodily harm or death.

Just not worth it when something like weapons retention can be safely taught using training aids.

Just my very humble 2 cents.

Yeah but that would make way too much sense and it wouldn't look "shockingly tacticool" as the instructor displays his awe-inspiring fu manoeuvrings.

[phil_in_cs]

I think that the need for positive weapon retention could be articulated verbally and demonstrated appropriately with a Blue Gun without asking Darwin to intervene......

He was the only one in the room professional enough to demonstrate that.

[gringop]

Someone posted this on M4Carbine.net. A recreation of the event.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7AMMF7WaB8

Gringop

[jslaker]

Someone posted this on M4Carbine.net. A recreation of the event.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7AMMF7WaB8

Gringop

Thanks for posting that. Makes it clear exactly what went wrong.

I can't imagine who thought drilling that was a good idea.

[MTechnik]

Someone posted this on M4Carbine.net. A recreation of the event.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7AMMF7WaB8

Gringop

I'm at work, but did the video say the instructor demo'd that technique? Or did the guy say "hey, i know how to do this!"

and thank god nobody was behind him.

[mc1911]

I've not practiced a weak-hand draw so I can't speak from experience, but I've seen video of weak-hand draws that then place the pistol between the knees, using the knees as a clamp to allow the shooter to then rotate his hand to gain a proper grip. In that example, the muzzle was pointed at the ground, which seems to be a much safer method. I would hazard the guess that the technique practiced in this tragic incident might be considered outdated. If not, it should be now.

[Pistol Shooter]

Yeah but that would make way too much sense and it wouldn't look "shockingly tacticool" as the instructor displays his awe-inspiring fu manoeuvrings.

Well said.

The last time I checked a blue gun costs about $30.00.

This was just a needless tragedy. Very sad.