Confess I winced at more than the color. Suspicious of "warrior ethos."Originally Posted by JonInWA
What do we know about whats actually going on? - the "defaulted to" you're talking about?
Confess I winced at more than the color. Suspicious of "warrior ethos."
What do we know about whats actually going on? - the "defaulted to" you're talking about?
Ive not cleaned my M&P 45 midsize since 8/24/12 when it completed the 2000 round challenge. The past 2 weeks alone I have put close to 1000 rounds through it. No issues. Ive spoken with others from across the state this week who either have M&Ps or have in some way or another been associated with an agency that issues them. There are a few agencies who have reordered newer M&Ps from Smith but the issue isnt the guns. Its delivery of the product thats the issue. Same problem we had in 2011. One of the larger agencies here ordered several hundred about a year ago and theyre still waiting. In my opinion thats unacceptable.
I realize that the M&P series is a popular weapon platform...we have had few issues with them, essentially the magazine springs and nothing else. IMO, the biggest issue they have is customer service...which can make or break your product. If they dont step up to the plate soon, they may well begin to start losing business.
Last edited by KeeFus; 02-04-2015 at 06:34 PM.
Socialism is a good example. Kindof like the 1911, it was invented by a guy whos fans post his picture all over the place, it looks great on paper, but it costs out the arse and never really pans out in the real world no matter how much money you waste.
I'm no fan of socialism, whether on paper or in practice. The 1911, however, was the pistol to beat for a very long time. The old GI issue Remington Rands and Ithacas would shake rattle and roll, but if lubricated, and if their mainsprings hadn't been left to rust for decades they were reliable, reasonably accurate and pretty effective. Properly set up they had a great trigger.
I wouldn't carry a 1911 today if I could carry a G19, but I think the 1911 was the king of autos for a very long time. Yes, better designs (finally) came along, but most of them owe much to the 1911.
Karl Marx was an intellectual fraud whose knowledge of history and economics was limited and whose understanding of human ontology was close to non-existent. John Browning, by contrast, was the greatest firearms designer in history (and I think he would be fascinated by the Glock's design).
It's nice when people voluntarily offer up demonstrations of their ignorance of a topic. It's a lot better than my original plan of asking them to wear the "I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE HELL I'M TALKING ABOUT" t-shirts.
I would love to hear Wilson Combat's side of the story. The idea that Wilson couldn't make their pistol right is right up there with your comparison of JMB and KM. Sounds like your expectation didn't match reality and they took the honorable way out. But if you change your mind you can stand in line for the next 24 months to wait for another.
Although I've tried a number other pistols, by round count, most of my time has been spent shooting primarily that same identical Gen 4 Glock (and later, near-duplicates thereof) that gave me FTE and BTF issues out of the box.
The difference for me between that "unreliable out of the box" pistol and the M&P 9mms I had was that Glock acknowledged and more quickly than Smith, satisfactorly addressed the issue. There were also aftermarket fixes for problem Glocks in that serial range like the Apex extractor that were (relatively) inexpensive and worked for my two pistols from the dark period of Glock extraction and ejection.
Okay, thanks.
Glad it worked out for you.
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The "default" was a reference back to KevinB's post, where he reported MARSOC was actually using Glock G19s in Post #165.
Best, Jon
Yup--G19's....just like a lot of other folks.
Facts matter...Feelings Can Lie
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