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    Coyotesfan97, I am delighted that you are safe, and removed a threat.

    Good people are always in my prayers, whether they are in Anbar or Arizona.

    Please, all of you, stay safe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SeriousStudent View Post
    Coyotesfan97, I am delighted that you are safe, and removed a threat.

    Good people are always in my prayers, whether they are in Anbar or Arizona.

    Please, all of you, stay safe.
    + many,many.
    Well done.
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    Very glad to see things turned out well. Stay safe out there!

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    Great thread and very educational. I appreciate all of the info. One question/comment , specifically for you veterans or retired guys:

    I feel like political correctness has groomed a certain behavior that makes it very difficult to train people of the last generation or so out of. Do you all think that that is one of the major contributors to a) crappy training standards and b) not wanting to offend anyone?
    Fairness leads to extinction much faster than harsh parameters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BaiHu View Post
    I feel like political correctness has groomed a certain behavior that makes it very difficult to train people of the last generation or so out of. Do you all think that that is one of the major contributors to a) crappy training standards and b) not wanting to offend anyone?
    Overall training standards are pretty high compared to the past, but they've always been crappy. As far as not wanting to offend people, Verbal Judo been around for 33 or 34 years and since day one administrators have latched on to the system thinking it's a magically way to do police work without offending anyone.

    The problems are the same as they've ever been, they just have to be addressed differently. Times change, either you get with the program and learn how to make things work, or you're in a constant battle against the system. I'm not going to pretend that it's easy to do police work anymore, but it can still be done.

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    Thanks for your response.
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    I also think Blauer's "theory of presumed compliance" comes into play. When you experience positive outcomes, you expect them in the future. The "nicer" an area you work, and the more positive outcomes you experience, the more likely your brain expects them every time.

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    Thanks for that too DNW. I've never heard of Blauer's theory, but I've experienced it on both sides.
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    This one went down VERY quickly, as they normally do;

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck Haggard View Post
    This one went down VERY quickly, as they normally do;

    http://www.policeone.com/officer-sho...oter-gets-life
    They totally had time to put on the gun dildo before they approached the car

    I decided to have this conversation with some non-gun friends of mine about officer safety/gun dildo stupidity. Trying to pry this stupid train off the tracks of their mindset is proving to be a Herculean effort. Sad...
    Fairness leads to extinction much faster than harsh parameters.

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