Great post, but welcome to the intheernet, where everyone is more smarter than everyone else.
That's why people like these kinds of articles. Not because it espouses any great wisdom, but because it confirms a belief they already hold, and justifies their existing behavior.
No. Maybe.
The article is very good. But it's also rather pointless. The people that like it are the ones that agree with that point of view already, and anyone without that point of view is unlikely to ever read it. I agree with all of it, but that's likely because I'm supposed to and because I've already made all of those same conclusions.
When I read things like this, I think about what we're trying to accomplish. Feeling good about ourselves and our choices, and maybe getting to that point by feeling superior to other people by taking them down a peg, or trying to get more people to take their self-preservation even a little bit seriously?
In the case of the former, I don't need that shit. I'm pretty comfortable with my take on things, what I do, and why.
In the case of the latter, my barometer for that is that I think of how the 10 coworkers I know of that own guns would react to the article. First, unless I sent it to them they'd never see it. Second, even if they did see it there are a lot of points of the article that would turn them off. Both of these are further explained in the post by JustOneGun.
The internet is full of echo chambers. Real life is too, but the internet has an echo chamber for every single point of view. If you like having sex with balloon animals, in the real world and pre-internet you're going to have a hard time finding a group of people that encourage that behavior, but online there are probably 20 websites dedicated to it.
So in that case, maybe my post is a slam on this thread, or maybe this forum, or maybe forums in general. Iv'e been around forums long enough to not only have had it happen to me, but to come out the other side and watch it happen to the vast majority of people that participate in them.
Guy buys gun
Guy goes looking for gun forums
Guy "learns" all about how he "didn't know what he didn't know" but now that he's *here* he's getting it all sorted
Guy's take on things starts to become skewed by over-indulgence of ego and agreeing philosophies.
the emperor has no clothes.
So should we sell all our guns?
Think for yourself. Question authority.
This assumes two categories of gun owners: those like you and those like your ten coworkers. Like all other pursuits of learning, I think that there is a wide range of knowledge levels among shooters. For many, that article may not provide them with anything new, and for others, it may be beyond what they are interested in pursing, but for many more the article may prove very useful. I think this is true of all information, and it is why the Internet is such a great thing. Maybe someone will read that article and finally decide to seek out more training or maybe the article will prove useful to a basic CCW instructor who wants to explain to his students why they should seek out training beyond the required course, then again, maybe it won't.
As someone who spends a significant amount of time creating information for Internet consumption, I may just be a little optimistic that all of that time is not wasted.
Rob,
I've been following your posts for many years now, across a number of forums.
I've seen you take some undeserved "beatings" and over time you seemed to become more cynical. It's gotten to a point almost of nihilism though.
It seems odd to write long posts lamenting how people only read/internalize things that fit in their echo chamber. If your premise is as universally true as you say, then your own posts will either be lauded by those who already agree with you, or rejected/ignored by those who disagree with you. How are your posts therefore any different than Claude's articles?
I think you're describing a very black and white view of the world that doesn't take into account the fact that we all live on various spectra.
But if a cogent article with personal examples on a subject that matters to the author is "rather pointless," then what is the point of your posts in this thread? If your purpose is to tell people that they can't achieve their own purpose......... well..... that seems like a pretty shitty purpose.
It would be one thing if you had material objections to the content/material of the article, but what is the author (or anyone) supposed to do with this kind of feedback?
If the article is good, then let the author worry about whether or not it's pointless. If the article is bad, then by all means constructively criticize it.
But this "nothing matters" gimmick is getting old.
"If you run into an a**hole in the morning, you ran into an a**hole. If you run into a**holes all day, you're the a**hole." - Raylan Givens
If the emperor has no clothes, does he open carry?
Anyway - when I started thinking about firearms, I started researching. I didn't become aware of the issues until I did such. Reading articles like Claude's may convince beginners as to appropriate issues. I think it is that simple. Then they can investigate even more deeply.
I disagree. The article is a nice reminder about the value of training. Taken the proper way ideas in the article can lead a person to humility, a better understanding of their own ability and a craving for knowledge. My post was just trying to put into context an idea that we are all at some point that guy.
It is a complex issue that people tend to short cut intellectually but that takes nothing away from the ideas Claude presented. It's just that a deeper conversation can lead us to better training, practice and ultimately a safer life.
While we may be correct that some people incorrectly use ideas as justification, I was presenting it in a way that suggests that we all probably do that and may be doing it.
Sort of, "There by the grace of God go I" type of idea.
What you do right before you know you're going to be in a use of force incident, often determines the outcome of that use of force.
Rob I think Byron might be correct. It's about perspective and context. You never know which person is at a stage of development mentally where they might take the good ideas in the article and gain from it. Others such as yourself might be past that stage and not need it. That fact doesn't mean it's pointless.
My motto is to ask, "Why" until there are no more questions. Mentally we American's feel there isn't enough time to look that deeply into subjects but then we sit on gun forums for hours at a time. I am simply of a disposition to annoyingly ask why over and over. I do it because I have found no other way to get to the root of the question.
That said, if you disagree with the premise of the article say so. If you disagree with the context of how ideas are presented then what might to suggest to improve the conversation?
Lastly, I hear a lot of, "Well it's the internet" on this forum and I disagree. We have been surrounded by bad ideas even before the internet was invented. Well some of you were born after it was invented but trust me we had some really goofy ideas that we argued about before computers and the same silliness occurred. We are all passionate, but improving the conversation is what Claude and many on this forum are doing. Don't miss the forest for all the internet trees and trolls.
What you do right before you know you're going to be in a use of force incident, often determines the outcome of that use of force.