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    I am an old school Aimpoint type and I have several Aimpoint's and EoTech's. Aimpoint durability and battery life cannot be argued, however I do prefer the Eo reticle for a few reasons. I am splitting hairs here, but I am known for that. For most individuals, quite frankly their skill sets / needs may not show them a definable difference or a difference that may matter for their application. Up close I am faster with the Eo, again splitting hairs. At close distances I do not use the center MOA dot but rather use the 65 MOA ring as a large dot so to speak. Also up close for precision shots I am quicker with the Eo as I utilize the bottom hash at the 65 MOA ring as the dot. At longer distances, I very much prefer the finer or smaller dot for precision.

    Other benefits of the Eo reticle for myself is that I will use the 9 or 3 o'clock hash as hold off references under certain distance / wind situations, or more so I can quickly extrapolate hold off distance quickly similar in theory to a mil dot reticle. I also use the 65 MOA ring as a way of ranging, definitely without magnification it is limited but has some good advantages if you understand ranging with mil dots or similar. At distance I also use the bottom hash as a measurable point on a target in which to more quickly come up with a hold off. I use the Eo reticle for shooting moving targets, either tracking or ambush methods. I also like that the size of the Eo window allows for even more variation in rifle position in improvised shooting positions. There is more leeway to have a less than perfect placement behind the rifle.

    I will note that I have owned several generations of EoTech's and have seen all of the various issues that have come and gone with EoTech. I will note that I have 3 of the single battery / transverse battery compartment EXPS models and I have not seen any issues as of yet. The oldest being at least 3 years old, or when they were first released. Not a large sample but we did just pick up 50 of them recently and I will be tracking durability results.

    As for any new product I am never "married" to any weapon, piece of gear, or product. I am always hoping for something better to come along. I would love to see a new optic that combined many of my desires in one unit. I look forward to checking out this new Leupold optic.

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    For you guys with astigmatisms: Go see an optometrist. I have an astigmatism that causes an aimpoint to look like an eotech. With correction, it just looks like a tiny dot. A good eye doctor can fix this assuming it's not horrifically bad (ie above 3).

    Eotech uncorrected looks even worse for me.

    Originally I really liked the idea of Eotechs, but I have come to appreciate the simplicity of my 4MOA T-1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trajan View Post
    For you guys with astigmatisms: Go see an optometrist. I have an astigmatism that causes an aimpoint to look like an eotech. With correction, it just looks like a tiny dot. A good eye doctor can fix this assuming it's not horrifically bad (ie above 3).

    Eotech uncorrected looks even worse for me.

    Originally I really liked the idea of Eotechs, but I have come to appreciate the simplicity of my 4MOA T-1.
    How would a doctor correct astigmatism?

    -Laser surgery=Risks/money
    -Contacts=Have you ever tried to put them in at 2am just having woken up while knowing you have seconds to grab your weapon and make ready?
    -Glasses=Ever tried to find them at 2am?

    Also, assuming a battery or electronics go down, which is ALWAYS a possibility with ANY optic, the etched reticle is the fastest BUIS around.

    Yes, correct the vision, by all means, but this LCO, if executed as well as I hope, offers a legitimate game-changer for many.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unobtanium View Post
    How would a doctor correct astigmatism?

    -Laser surgery=Risks/money
    -Contacts=Have you ever tried to put them in at 2am just having woken up while knowing you have seconds to grab your weapon and make ready?
    -Glasses=Ever tried to find them at 2am?

    Also, assuming a battery or electronics go down, which is ALWAYS a possibility with ANY optic, the etched reticle is the fastest BUIS around.

    Yes, correct the vision, by all means, but this LCO, if executed as well as I hope, offers a legitimate game-changer for many.
    That sounds real good to me except for one unknown factor--price. Any idea how much this miracle worker will cost?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeep View Post
    That sounds real good to me except for one unknown factor--price. Any idea how much this miracle worker will cost?
    On another forum, I read MSRP is $799.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Unobtanium View Post
    How would a doctor correct astigmatism?

    -Laser surgery=Risks/money
    -Contacts=Have you ever tried to put them in at 2am just having woken up while knowing you have seconds to grab your weapon and make ready?
    -Glasses=Ever tried to find them at 2am?

    Also, assuming a battery or electronics go down, which is ALWAYS a possibility with ANY optic, the etched reticle is the fastest BUIS around.

    Yes, correct the vision, by all means, but this LCO, if executed as well as I hope, offers a legitimate game-changer for many.
    I used to have really bad progressive myopia, so yes, I know what it's like to be reaching for glasses at O dark 30, and you should too. Seeing your target to PID is kind of a big deal.

    If I was worried about home defense carbine and not general purpose, and I had astigmatism issues as bad as some of ya'll describe, then I'd go with a combo of laser and irons. At home defense distances in the dark the irons stand out rather nicely against that 120-1000 lumen hot spot down range.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck Haggard View Post
    If I was worried about home defense carbine and not general purpose, and I had astigmatism issues as bad as some of ya'll describe, then I'd go with a combo of laser and irons. At home defense distances in the dark the irons stand out rather nicely against that 120-1000 lumen hot spot down range.
    I think this is great advice.

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    I def agree on the laser part, but my experience is that aperture sights are lousy darker conditions, especially with eyeglasses if you normally are a contacts wearer. My issue with the red dot is shooting groups at distance, and any deformation isn't an issue for me for HD style shooting.

    Now a laser and good open sights like HD style on a pistol, as I have on my Benelli, would also be fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GJM View Post
    I def agree on the laser part, but my experience is that aperture sights are lousy darker conditions, especially with eyeglasses if you normally are a contacts wearer. My issue with the red dot is shooting groups at distance, and any deformation isn't an issue for me for HD style shooting.

    Now a laser and good open sights like HD style on a pistol, as I have on my Benelli, would also be fine.
    Same here. Hits are find on close ranges CQB out to 25 yds etc. But I don't even presently own an RDS and just go with irons and white light for HD and magnified optics hunting.
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