USCA Carbine 2-Gun Match, Peacemaker Aug 9

[cclaxton]

I'm not sure if PNTC is going to host another USCA match or just do their own two gun from now on. They don't like letting people transition from a formerly hot carbine, or allowing hot reholstering. Both are allowed by the USCA rules.

2 gun is definitely a lot easier to get into than 3 gun. The shotgun is really the only gun that needs modification to work for 3 gun, so eliminating it and the required support gear means that a lot more gun owners have the required guns and gear to compete.

York IWLA in PA offers their own 2gun match, kinda sorta FNH rules, but they add pistol-only divisions and make the COF pistol capable.
Check them out at: yorkpistol.blogspot.com
Cody

[cclaxton]

If you don't have KMR, Geissele and a $2,800 optic u can't gun, bro.

You can do an entry-level Stag 3G with a Bushnell 1-4x24 223reticle non-illuminated scope for about $1500. That has a Geiselle trigger stock, 18" barrel, rifle length gas, full length forend, adjustable stock, etc. There are plenty of mid-level rifles you can get and a few decent $200-350 scopes that will make you competitive.
Cody

[cclaxton]

I want this to work, so badly. Really put off by the Peacemaker rules.

The problem is they have too many amateurs that just aren't that safe. I am not that upset with the inability to holster a hot pistol...but stage designs must be better.
Cody

[joshs]

The problem is they have too many amateurs that just aren't that safe. I am not that upset with the inability to holster a hot pistol...but stage designs must be better.
Cody

Both of those problems can be fixed with good stage design. Holstering a hot pistol is technically legal in USPSA, but nobody does it because it is never beneficial to do during a stage. It isn't that hard to do the same thing in a multigun match, but it simply requires a little more thought on the part of the MD.

[Failure2Stop]

You can do an entry-level Stag 3G with a Bushnell 1-4x24 223reticle non-illuminated scope for about $1500. That has a Geiselle trigger stock, 18" barrel, rifle length gas, full length forend, adjustable stock, etc. There are plenty of mid-level rifles you can get and a few decent $200-350 scopes that will make you competitive.
Cody

I've won a few 2-gun matches with nothing more than a 6920 with a bushy1-6 and a G19.
If you have A carbine, you are good to go.

[KevinB]

Both of those problems can be fixed with good stage design. Holstering a hot pistol is technically legal in USPSA, but nobody does it because it is never beneficial to do during a stage. It isn't that hard to do the same thing in a multigun match, but it simply requires a little more thought on the part of the MD.

I did not attend the match but those who have done USCA in FL and now at PeaceMaker said this one was a major let down.

[joshs]

I did not attend the match but those who have done USCA in FL and now at PeaceMaker said this one was a major let down.

The stages definitely could have used a lot more hard cover, no shoots, and partial targets to add a more realistic shooting experience, but I don't see Cole/Peacemaker ever allowing hot reholstering or transitions from a formerly hot carbine. One injury caused by something that is generally not allowed, or at least seriously discouraged, by other shooting competitions is enough to potentially end any range.

[cclaxton]

The stages definitely could have used a lot more hard cover, no shoots, and partial targets to add a more realistic shooting experience, but I don't see Cole/Peacemaker ever allowing hot reholstering or transitions from a formerly hot carbine. One injury caused by something that is generally not allowed, or at least seriously discouraged, by other shooting competitions is enough to potentially end any range.

Yeah, I gotta wonder why they included those in the rules. The liabilities are just too great.
I am not sure it adds to much to the match, either. I would be fine with dump barrel OR showing clear and then retaining. We did that at Tidewater, and it was fine. I was able to finish the pistol work, drop the mag and eject the round and reholster while I was moving to the VTAC barricade for the rifle part. The SO was watching the whole time. I thought it was fine.
Cody

[Failure2Stop]

Hot holstering has already been covered ad nauseam in direct relation to USCA.
Down here, we are pretty much setting up the stage to give a dump opportunity if going from pistol to carbine.

[KevinB]

Yeah, I gotta wonder why they included those in the rules. The liabilities are just too great.
I am not sure it adds to much to the match, either. I would be fine with dump barrel OR showing clear and then retaining. We did that at Tidewater, and it was fine. I was able to finish the pistol work, drop the mag and eject the round and reholster while I was moving to the VTAC barricade for the rifle part. The SO was watching the whole time. I thought it was fine.
Cody

And this is why I hate gun games.