FBI to adopt 9 mm pistols

[RJ]

Extremely interesting thread.

I found Mr. Boone's statement outstanding: "You know, carrying that but not consistently shooting 98-100 is kind of like driving your Daddy's Corvette but stalling at the traffic light cause you really don't know how to work a clutch."

It's statements like that that make me recommit to my training regimen.

[gtmtnbiker98]

With the timing of the VP9 and to a lesser extent, the P320 - this may be interesting.

[Sigfan26]

Seems like Glock has all classes of pistol covered from the start... And they wouldn't require retraining of agents on a new platform or recertification of armorers.

[Kyle Reese]

Seems like Glock has all classes of pistol covered from the start... And they wouldn't require retraining of agents on a new platform or recertification of armorers.

Indeed.

[John Hearne]

Seems like Glock has all classes of pistol covered from the start...

Up until how ambidextrous a design is and the Glock doesn't have dual slide catch levers like the H&K, Sig P320, or M&P.

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[Sigfan26]

Up until how ambidextrous a design is and the Glock doesn't have dual slide catch levers like the H&K, Sig P320, or M&P.

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Reversible mag catch and sling shot or powerstroke method. Along with a much longer track record.

[John Hearne]

That a viable alternative for forwarding the slide is of little value if the details of the request require it. I've always thought that it was a brilliant move to put dual levers on the M&P. Anyone who wants to swing the contract in a certain direction can add the requirement. In this day and age of equality, Glock's failure to have a really small grip option and an ambi slide release is major potential poison. I don't think any judge would find the requirement to be lefty friendly anything but a positive.

I'm not saying it's right or wrong, I'm just explaining how the game is played.

Edited to add:
Combine the requirement of an ambi slide catch lever with a requirement that the pistol disassemble without pulling the trigger and Glock is completely out. This "feature" is mentioned in the literature of both the M&P and the P320.

[Jeep]

This makes sense to me. Modern hollow point loads make the 9mm a perfectly fine round (it is what I carry), and training will be easier and cheaper. But as a taxpayer I hope they phase it on over an extended time. Those who prefer already are allowed to carry a 9, and the 180 grain load they use for the .40 doesn't kick that hard. So let new classes go all 9 and keep the .40 for the guys who already have it. Rightly or wrongly many agents will want to keep the .40 anyway, and a top-down, one-size-fits-all approach doesn't make a lot of sense for an agency as large as the FBI.

[Sigfan26]

That a viable alternative for forwarding the slide is of little value if the details of the request require it. I've always thought that it was a brilliant move to put dual levers on the M&P. Anyone who wants to swing the contract in a certain direction can add the requirement. In this day and age of equality, Glock's failure to have a really small grip option and an ambi slide release is major potential poison. I don't think any judge would find the requirement to be lefty friendly anything but a positive.

I'm not saying it's right or wrong, I'm just explaining how the game is played.

Just saying, if they wanted it, it would have probably been listed.

[John Hearne]

IIRC, the 9mm is an option for those who struggle with the 40 S&W. There are two bullet weights in 40 S&W on the current contract, a 165gr and a 180 gr. There are two 9mm options but from different manufacturers - both 147 gr bonded IIRC.