As per title. Inspired by my recent visit to California and the myriad laws therein, what would be the professional recommendation for firearms intended for self defense use in states like that.
As per title. Inspired by my recent visit to California and the myriad laws therein, what would be the professional recommendation for firearms intended for self defense use in states like that.
The Minority Marksman.
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-a Ch'an Buddhist axiom.
If I lived in one of those states, the first gun I would buy is a high end 1911. A Wilson Combat CQB comes to mind as a great option. I would also consider a HK45/45c or M&P45 as well. If I am limited to 10 rounds, a .45 ACP is very appealing.
For rifles I would buy a nice bolt action (Winchester M70, Tikka, etc.), a lever gun like this: http://lh6.ggpht.com/-8otmm0OUS8U/Uw...4/IMG_3089.jpg, or a Remington 7600 pump.
Last edited by Guinnessman; 04-15-2014 at 03:55 PM. Reason: added rifles
Even with the capacity limitation, I'd still rather have a 9mm so I could practice more often.
Just saw this today, designed for California's whackyness:
http://www.guns.com/2014/04/11/styli...systems-video/
and there are the Benelli R1's:
http://www.benelliusa.com/rifles
For handguns, most seem to just go with reduced capacity mags in whatever they'd have otherwise, though I've heard that some don't run as reliably with the neutered mags (Glock was the specific I'd heard complaints about).
"I don't want to be lorded over by a Bible thumping theocrat any more than a frappa-lappa-mocha chino sipping hoplophobic statist."-FredM
I would think a Glock 30, a quality 1911, a quality revolver, HK45/HK45C...
Best, Jon
Originally Posted by GardoneVT
Can I ask why you care so much about what we do in California? We're not all Eunuchs here and have most of the same choices of everyone else minus a handful of NFA, .50 BMG and we make our "Assault Weapons" compliant. Not a professional recommendation but I carry Gen 4 9mm Glocks with standard capacity magazines acquired before the year 2000 or a J-Frame with my AR that has a 'Bullet Button' mainly for range fun or SHTF. My main home defense gun is a Gen 4 G17 with an X-300U locked in a quick access safe since I have a 3 1/2 year old child, also my Surefire with a lanyard is on my nightstand.
The neutered 10 round mags that I have for my G19 are absolute garbage! They make great practice magazines because they do a great job of inducing malfunctions. This is another reason why I would go with a gun designed around low cap magazines.
Glock will send you a different follower for that problem.
My brother uses a 1911, and a Beretta with 10 round magazines.
I'd probably just put the kibosh on a rifle and go for a shotgun for HD. A load of buckshot is still formidable and most shotguns don't even hold ten rounds anyways.
As for handguns, you can still have high cap mags from what I understand, they just have to be grandfathered. I don't shoot a carbine simply because I do not have one. But most guns that you can have elsewhere can be bought in California. You can buy a Smith M&P (and in the .45 caliber version, it's a ten round mag anyway), a Glock (I have wanted a G30 for a while as well).
My list would basically be the same as the list I have right now. I have plans for a Sig or Beretta in the future. For a rifle, I'd probably end up going for a lever gun, like a .357 magnum or a .45 colt because awesome things happen to .357 magnums when they go through a 16" barrel.
A point however. If you want to use a lever gun for HD, you'd better not shortstroke that sucker, because it will tie the gun up tighter than a Pentecostal prom date's dress.
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