Well, Illinois isn't too shabby. We just got CCW, and we have no AWB....granted a CCW permit is eleventy billion dollars compared to other states.Originally Posted by hossb7
Well, Illinois isn't too shabby. We just got CCW, and we have no AWB....granted a CCW permit is eleventy billion dollars compared to other states.
If anybody thinks there are worse states than CA, or NY (with NY being slightly worse) then you're delusional.
As a subject in one of the aforementioned States, I figured I'd throw in my $0.02 before the thread reaches 5 pages or goes sideways. I can only comment on Kalifornia since I am not intimately familiar with the laws in NJ, NY, and occupied New England.
As far as pistols go, the current situation is in flux with so many pistols falling off the roster and the state of the roster as well as the SSE about to be challenged. That said, there are still some good handguns on the roster and the used pistol market is robust as long as you are willing to pay for what you want. Most legacy pistol platforms (Beretta, Glock Gen3, Sig P) are still available and many folks "acquired" standard capacity mags for them before Y2K, so they remain quite viable. For folks that didn't "acquire" these magazines or who want to run newer platforms, the 10 round limit is in place and to me, you have to weigh the benefits of the pistol over a legacy design against the reduction in ammo on board.
.45s may be popular due to the fact that most are 10 round or fewer pistols. That said, the average Joe (and I'm an average Joe) can most likely shoot a 9mm better than a .45 and thus is still probably better served with a 9mm utilizing 10 round magazines. In this case, the medium frame guns (USPc, Glock19) are probably the better way to go as they are more size/capacity efficient unless you have a real desire for a full sized auto or want the longer sight radius.
For long guns, my feeling is that the only real difference for Kalifornia gunnies is at what threat level they reach for the AR. With Kalifornia legal ARs you can either have drop free magazines and messed up ergonomics, or a bullet button and the ergonomics that make the AR such a great gun. For me, I've tried both and find the bullet button rifled does more of what I need my AR to do than a "featureless" rifle does. The bullet button does have some serious drawbacks as a SD/HD rifle so you are left with either spending a lot of time getting good using a bullet button (there are guys that can swap mags real fast with them) or disabling the bullet button and taking your chances with the law. As a result, myself and most guys I know see the AR as a SHTF rifle that will be brought out for serious use in a post disaster (big quake or big riot), configured as Mr Stoner intended, and then returned to the f-ed up configuration once the Police had regained control of the area. For folks who want to use a center fire rifle for SD/HD, there are also the Mini14s, KelTecs, M1 carbines, and M1/M1a's.
Shotguns have almost no real restrictions and my go-to SD/HD long gun is a Remington 1187P. I certainly feel that I have enough gun to handle most conceivable home security situations.
Not that I like the "man" limiting my options and flagrantly violating my 2A rights in reality, there are still plenty of viable options available for subjects living in Kalifornia.
The Dem's went to far with this one and will lose the war when the roster is eliminated, just like banning Unloaded or Loaded Open Carry but not issuing CCW's either though the litigation continues.
I would tend to agree with you sir, and I pray that you are correct. The laws here are simply unconstitutional and an obvious attempt at the outright ban of privately owned firearms.
Things seem to be going swimmingly here in NY. They tossed out the "only load your 10 round magazines with 7 rounds" BS, but everything else has stuck. The problem is mobilizing our forces; easily half the gun owners don't know what's going on, or don't care. Their bolt-action .308s and skeet guns aren't affected, and who needs an AR-15 anyway? We've got maybe 10-20% of gun owners actively fighting this law. When you consider that all of the antis aren't fighting, and most of the gun owners aren't fighting, its a pretty bleak outlook.
The really scary part is that these states are the testing ground for future national legislation. I really hope the NRA is doing everything it can to fight the laws in the handful of states that are really pushing the limits now, because if not this is the shape of things to come for all of us.
I raise you Connecticut.
I tried a 9mm shield. It didn't work out for me, then got a killer deal on a HK45c, so I took it.
The only bad things in IL are the carry laws (which are being rectified slowly) and the ridiculous requirement to have a "FOID" to even think about guns. Oh, and no NFA.
Just fifteen years ago, Indiana was a haven of normalcy between a brace of anti-gun SSRs, and now I have realistic hope of being able to drive places without having to detour around OH or IL.
They've already lost- as they never had a case to begin with.
Regrettably, that doesn't stop the antis from running the clock down in court. It took Chicago almost 10 years to go from "no handguns allowed to peons, ever" (as connected people and Aldermen were allowed to CCW ) to "Bring your Glock to Michigan Ave, no police creds needed."
Shall issue will come to CA and other anti rights areas, but Bowsers not gonna give up the castle without a fight. Id give it seven years between a court saying to CAs government "Thou Shalt Respect The Constitution" ,and an ordinary man being able to walk down Sunset Blvd. lawfully armed.
The Minority Marksman.
"When you meet a swordsman, draw your sword: Do not recite poetry to one who is not a poet."
-a Ch'an Buddhist axiom.
FWIW, you can carry your gun on the streets with a permit in Chicago now, but good luck actually bringing it inside anyplace. RUMINT from our mole in Hyde Park has favorable results on code inspections for property management companies tied to the presence of No Totin' signs on the properties they manage.
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