Heh. You say duh, but there are entire articles and blogs posts about 1911 durability issues.Originally Posted by Tamara
But back to topic - what really bugs me about the link mod and the premise behind it. From the Lippard website: "It is because of poor linkage design that all 1911A1 models and clones fail to remain accurate and in fact are unserviceable after 5,000 rounds." http://karllippard.com/military/CQBP.html
http://youtu.be/iA0WcJDR4g4
This BS polluted my forum also.
Through a Glock, I would say that is a high number of cycles. Relatively speaking to other Glocks, or even ANY handgun, it's a high number of cycles. We're not talking about sewing machines or internal combustion engines.
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Why do you say that? Based on what? What makes a handgun different than any other machine?
I've seen, literally, 7 1911s with (documented, verifiable) round counts over 100k through them. And half of those were over 300k. None were "worn out." I'm asking what exactly wears out? The frame rails? Locking surfaces? Ignition parts?
Or compare to a service rifle. An AR-15 isn't going to go 250K before bolt or barrel failure. Of course, I'll wager that Defoor's Glock didn't go 250K rounds without part replacement either. I suppose then we're discussing what's considered routine part replacement and what's a terminal failure of the firearm? I suppose you can just keep replacing bolts and barrels on the AR15 upper.
"When the phone rang, Parker was in the garage, killing a man."
Based on the millions of guns produced that don't see that round count when compared to the hundreds (or thousands?) that have. I'm looking at this from the perspective of the average owner, not an engineering standpoint.
edited to add: I'm not sure where the "worn out" questions are coming from. I never said the guns would wear out (sure, parts would need to be replaced, as on Defoor's Glock). I simply said that a gun (ANY GUN) with a 6 digit round count is impressive.
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Of course not, but parts replacement isn't what we're talking about. In my [apparently narrow] opinion, round count of that level is way beyond what would be considered a "normal" life of a gun. Obviously it's not impossible for guns to have 6 digit round counts but it IS out of the ordinary.
Side note on Defoor's Glock (the barrel was shot out, but the gun was still functioning):
With that, I've "shot out" a barrel on my Glock 17. During this weeks pistol class I noticed that every thrird or fourth round was, as Bob Ueuker says-"just a bit outside". I first assumed it was me, then after I shot some of the students guns I found out it wasn't(kinda glad of that!). I took the barrel out and compared it to the 2 other Glock 17s in the class and that's when me and the 2 Army snipers that were in the class saw the obvious lack of rifling at a certain spot.
I thought it was impossible to shoot out a pistol barrel, but apparantly I've succeded. I also don't think I've ever heard of anyone else doing it. As for the number of rounds, it's somewhere around 205,000. The ole girl has had 2 sets of sights, 2 recoil springs, and 8 trigger return springs. She has served well. I still managed to pull off 2 - 623s on the 700 Pt Agg (lowering my goal to average 630 or above), and a 275 on the Hack (25 yd line was ugly with said pistol). I'm glad she died during a good class. I had the 2 Army Snipers, a Doctor from the Mayo clinic, an Army Captain headed to the Q-Course, and a magazine writer.
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Yeah, that's pretty LOLWUT?in fact are unserviceable after 5,000 rounds.
It doesn't do anything to help Mr. Lippard's credibility, no matter where he formerly worked.
I posted this elsewhere on this forum, but it seems appropriate to repost it.
This thread has been moved or deleted since I copied it (01-13-2012), but the URL used to be:
http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=96530
Question to Kyle Defoor:
Answer:...how many malfunctions you had, how long it took to reach 200k rounds, etc?
Malfunctions- I honestly don’t know. Just the normal stuff like when you break trigger springs and slide release springs. I think there was one squib round in there, the rails had to be replaced a few times, a number of extractors, etc.
I'm not sure how the rails on Glocks are replaced without changing out the whole frame, after-all that's what they did with the E series guns that had a rail defect - complete frame swap.
Yeah, he has a few guys trolling gun forums, and in particular 1911 forums spewing forth this type of stuff.
Shame, 'cause I'd have had a gun built by him considering the pedigree. Shame about that and the beavertail fit, because it looks like a drop in for a GI tang.
hossb7 - I think you and I are talking in cross purposes, so I'm just gonna leave it alone. Cheers, buddy.
Probably deleted - that seems to be a growing trend on M4C.
But as for the rail replacement - me neither. I'm not familiar with Glock at an armorer level and don't know what it takes to get that sort of work done. Pure speculation but is it possible to replace rails on the same frame (not a typical option but for someone like Defoor maybe Glock did him a solid)?
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