9mm HST3 124gr +P ATK Bare Gel testing

[Rich]

I shot 100rds lawman 147 yesterday It has a lot more recoil than the lawman 124gr !

Enough I was glad I ran out.

I may even use the standard 124gr HST for SD . Or if surgery works out I may try the +P

[KeeFus]

I shot 100rds lawman 147 yesterday It has a lot more recoil than the lawman 124gr !

Enough I was glad I ran out.

I may even use the standard 124gr HST for SD . Or if surgery works out I may try the +P

I bought some +P 124 gold dots yesterday @ $24.99/box of 50. Also bought 124 HST's standard PSI for $22.99/box of 50. I asked about +P HST's and they stated they haven't seen any. Only recently have the +P gold dots shown up. Why are +P varieties so hard to find?

Secondly, looking at ATK/LE webpage none of the 124's (standard psi nor +P) penetrate a minimum of 12 inches on bare gelatin but do better in other tests. Is getting a +P variety really worth it?

[Chuck Haggard]

In the Gold Dot I would say yes. We have been using that 124gr +P for a long time. Both function and terminal effects are enhanced IMHO by using the +P version.

[Mr_White]

In the Gold Dot I would say yes. We have been using that 124gr +P for a long time. Both function and terminal effects are enhanced IMHO by using the +P version.

What makes you say so? More reliable and larger expansion, or something else you have noticed? Anecdote is fine, I'm just curious what influenced your opinion.

[Chuck Haggard]

Testing by Doc, the IWBA and the FBI, and observation of autopsies from our OISs

Bare gel is IMHO an acid test for over expansion and bullet failure. I have never seen one of our Gold Dot bullets pulled from a person that looked like a bare gel shot, they all look like the heavy clothing/4LD tests (except for bullets that have gone through glass and such). We have had OISs with suspect wearing crazy layers of clothing, like a coat over Carharts over a hoody over a flannel over Long Johns over a T-shirt...., we've never had a failure to expand in a real shooting.

[Mr_White]

Cool, thanks Chuck.

A major reason I run 124gr + P Gold Dot is related to ease of supply a while back. I've always been impressed with how hot they load the 124 standard and + P Gold Dot. The standard pressure lot I have chronographs at the factory spec for + P (1220 fps) and the various lots of + P that I've got have chronographed about 1275 to 1310 fps. And as you have noted, it runs the gun pretty briskly.