I see no problem with this, other than the leather needs to be prison leather. And the grips need to be ivory. And the finish needs to be bright nickel. And they need to be made by Colt.Originally Posted by Chuck Haggard
SAAs are courtroom guns. Everyone knows that.
Unpossible my friend. Haven't you ever listened to Massad Ayoob? His voice is so soothing....
I actually talk to Mas fairly regularly, mostly via e-mail. But yeah, well aware of his opinions. I still recall his article in Combat Handguns way back when in which he outlined why the 125gr JHP was the shizzle in the .357mag. His info, mostly, came from Keith Jones on the effectiveness of that loading in Tam's neck of the woods.
I respect both Mas and Keith a great deal, but in the shootings I have seen locally with the 125gr Remington version (which would do an honest 1500fps from my 4" Security Six) I wasn't nearly as impressed.
I group "stopping power" in my head loosely, in groups; pocket pistols, service pistols, rifles, buckshot, and shotgun slugs. Rifles and slugs tend to be in the same ball park, along with very close range buckshot (or even closer birdshot hits), service handguns and buckshot at distance run about the same, pocket pistols at the bottom of the heap.
Absolutely.
We spend a bunch of time arguing about the marginal differences between different entries in the same categories. There's a difference between a service pistol and a pocket pistol that's pretty easily observed. The difference between 9mm and .40? Maybe not so much.
Happens in other venues too, like the blood thirsty discussions about the difference between 7mm Rem Mag and .300 Win Mag for elk...
More or less my interpretation as well. I have long since stopped fretting about it, really...
Since I don't see a .357 Magnum heading in Doc's ammo stickies (unless I glossed over it), what makes you feel all warm and fuzzy in a 3-4" barrel?
IIRC, the 145 grain Silvertips actually weren't all that bad back in the day.
I was super happy to be carrying the 125gr back in the day. Knowing what I know now I'd go with almost any 140-180gr JHP. The .357 Silvertip is a very good load for being old school, but most of the generic 158gr JHP loads are also pretty good.
Long ago I carried 125gr. Super Vel in my .357 revolvers and 110 gr. Super Vel in my .38 revolvers.
I ended up with 125gr Remington .357 in my Security Six, Rem 158gr LSWCHP in my Cobra, and the speedloaders full of 125gr Remington +P because I could then reload either gun with the same loaders.
I a familiar with a shooting which was the third or fourth after a state agency went to 357 Sig. The first shootings were all one shot stops and impressed everyone, IIRC one was at 60 yds. The officer involved in the next shooting was stabbed by his suspect after he shot him once with a 357 Sig in the lower abdomen. The suspect eventually expired but it was touch and go for a while while the trooper fought with the suspect until the BG eventually bled out. When asked why he did not shoot the suspect a second time, the trooper said words to the effect that he had expected the suspect to be torn in half based on the earlier shootings. He was so shocked when the BG did not disappear in a cloud of smoke and sparks that he stood in gawking during which time the suspect closed with him and the hand to hand commenced. Talk about building up unreasonable expectations.....
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