Thanks for all reply's!
Thanks for all reply's!
Things that i would do to my Glock before changing out the barrel:
--Change the sights (if you have not done so--do it ASAP)
--Put a 3.5 trigger connector
That alone will help you decrease your 25 yard accuracy more than any barrel can--unless of course you are shooting 2.5 inch groups or less.
Until you can consistently hit ~2.5 inches at 25 yards the barrel is not the limiting factor. For instance: shooting ofhand i shoot ~3-4 inch groups depending on ammo at 25 yards. If i shoot of a sand bag i decrease those groups to ~2 inches. By benching resting i mitigate some of my own shooting errors when shooting unsupported. THAT is what i'm working towards with my offhand long distance shooting.
I'll preface by saying that i have not shot the PPQ a lot, but i have shot it and talked to those who have. The main difference that i believe contributes to the increased perceived accuracy is ergonomics. the PPQ had AMAZING ergos. A superb stock trigger, and for most people it fits great in their hands. The sights are good as well--especially when compared to the garbage sights on the glock. All of this makes the gun "easier" to shoot accurately and does nothing for it's inherent mechanical accuracy. Ill venture to say though, that if put in a vice both guns with shoot sub 2 inch groups at 25 yards. Most people can't do that consistently. Unless you are shooting sub 2 inch groups (sub 3 inch with bulk ammo) at 25 yards with your glock and are not satisfied--you don't need a new barrel. The above mentioned upgrades will carry you much further in that department for substantially less of a cost.
Hope that helps
I do love my PPQ. Ergonomics are better than Glocks and so is accuracy. But my department issues Glock. Nothing wrong with either. It's good to have choices.
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Comedian, just wondering if you or anyone else went through with the Bar-sto barrel that you were thinking about?
My p30 is noticeably more accurate then my gen 3 g19.
If you look closely at the guns those guys actually shoot in competition, almost all of them have an aftermarket barrel.Quote:
Originally Posted by JonInWA
Like a lot of others I was a stock barrel guy for a long time, but I recently bought a KKM barrel to give it a try, and I have to say, it's a lot more accurate than the stock barrel.
Was it drop in?Quote:
Originally Posted by beltjones
Why is everyone tweaking the trigger to improve accuracy?
Yeppers. Here's what I noticed:Quote:
Originally Posted by LittleLebowski
On average, about 10fps faster velocity than standard barrel.
Depending on load used, groups freehand went from about 4" at 25 yards unsupported to about 2". I don't really bench handguns as it's not the most valuable info for me, but the difference in off-hand accuracy was striking.
Of course the reason for the improvement could be that it was a new barrel vs. my old 2nd hand stock barrel. I can't rule that out. But I can say it was a worthwhile change.
For shooting from a ransom rest or something I suppose a really good trigger wouldn't improve accuracy. But when you introduce a human to the equation suddenly the quality of the trigger plays a big role in accuracy. There are multiple variables that we might take into account, such as shooter preference, a crisp break vs. a rolling break, length of the pull, and so on, but let's take a look at pure trigger weight. Pretty much everyone agrees that the more tense your trigger hand is the more difficult accuracy will be, and pulling a heavy trigger requires more hand strength and therefore more muscle tension. On the other hand, with a light trigger your trigger hand and can be very relaxed, resulting in a very dexterous trigger finger and very little "shakes" due to muscle fatigue.Quote:
Originally Posted by orionz06
Am I out of my mind for believing that to be almost a line of crap? The stock glock trigger is more than reasonable, IMHO.